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Ahaha...my heroine!!! Tough as nails and kind and gentle as can be ♥ !

I do not see that at all. I see many scriptures but, what right now sticks out to me is “But as many as received him gave He..."!

I'll look into this. I love all viewpoints. Yes, even some Calvinists! I won't throw the baby out with the bathwater :D I have not read a whole lot of the Catholic writings other that what I was introduced to as a child and pre teen. I am familiar with , Piper, Stott, Pink, C.S., Spurgeon...

Not a single thing. And, neither can WE do a single thing to earn salvation.

To "receive" is to be presented with...will anyone refuse His gift? Yes...tons of people will. Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Of course it all begins and ends with God. And, with simplicity that I am, lol...I...

I think you need to read the verses in order...receiving first seems to be in order here, Imho.

What about the previous verse "12 But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:..."

Very well and gracefully put Mark.

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Hahaha Gary, you've apparently missed allot on here...things have changed since allot of the regulars have jumped ship :(

Yes, exactly. Very biased and opinionated...but then, why let the facts get in the way??!!! LOL. :D

We learn to love Him more and more; as we get to know Him on a deeper level. His characteristics, His ways that are oh so much higher than ours. In Him, nancy

"Our schools are raising mindless consumers Our conservative churches have abandoned the intellectual heritage of Christianity" Yep, this country has been being "dumbed" down for some time now... everybody listens to the talking heads on the "news". Never looking into it other than that...not...

Circles...and intellectual dishonesty. :( I'll stick to the obvious in the scriptures and am very happy that you also do marks.

"12 But as many as received him," I guess the Bible must be wrong here, as...is not "receiving" works?? :rolleyes:

Oh gosh, thought I'd heard that somewhere! lol.

Amen to that! And since The Gospel is "good news"...it must be good news to ALL people...

"Forgive me if I've got it all wrong but I don't really understand your answer." Ah, Pat...you are not alone there, lol! Mark keeps me on my toes, and yes, my brain can be rattled by some of his posts but...he does get me thinking allot.

You sure know your History, Ron ♥ It would take me forever to plow through all of that!

"Generational Curses" are for those still in bondage...IMHO :)