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Yes, we can choose to go against our new nature and join our old friends in debautchery. But that would be disobeying Paul's command of "do not quench the Spirit." That is also like Peter's analogy of a dog going back to his own vomit. This opens up another can of worms on OSAS. If you choose...

I would like you to reason this out. Maybe you've never noticed this verse. Romans 7:9 is about mankind before and after the law was given through Moses. Was Paul there? He's speaking in the first person as if he was. Of course not. The "I" is "mankind" and the law is the Ten Commandments given...

I like this and believe it, but do not see most Christians believe that we are already sanctified as it says here. But we are. Justification/cleansing of all our old sins and then being set apart unto God/sanctified are back to back. Most believe sanctification is a slow process of overcoming...

This is a major conflict of our interpretation of some scriptures, that we have gone over, but we still need to see these in context. Context is key. Could God have removed our sin nature completely? Yes. And He did. It doesn't make us mindless robots. This is how it works. It was like going...

and My question to you Enoch, is why if the last one is true, and we are children of God, do you believe we still sin. That is not a child of God, but a slave to sin. John 8:34-36

We almost agree. Here is what I see in Romans 4 that the OP (original (Calvinist) poster) failed to see when he implied that all our sins we still commit are not imputed to us. I don't see you going that far. Romans 4:9b-10 says For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness...

Thank you for leaving the conversation.

Yes, this is the crux of our differences. Sin. What we agree on is that Jesus died for our sin. However, you didn't tell me HOW we are to "work" to overcome sin from your last post. After you answer that I think I'll be able to continue.

You can either stay in this total disclosure sytematic unveiling of our differences, or just let Mjh29 and I continue. Your choice. There is not going to be any contempt, such as you telling me to pray to see it your way.

The text Preacher4Truth provided" 12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure...

The confusion is the interpretation. How do we work?

Right path, but how?

Here is what I feel is the beginning of our difference. How are we to "work" towards holiness?

Yes, for starters. Read what his conclusion was. Do you agree, or have another view. (I have another view).

Yes, however, the poster just banked on Romans 4 and didn't study to the conclusion of the lesson - Romans 8.

And to @Mjh29 Found it. It was in another thread called Romans 4:6 Imputed Righteousness. He said: Our transgressions are forgiven and our sins are covered. God does not input sin. However much sin abounds in us, Grace does much more abound. Therefore, it text is Romans 4:6

I'll see if I can find the original post from the other Calvinist, not you two. Give me time to find it.

That is why I asked you who you were replying to. There was no way your post without context made sense.

If I'm not in a discussion with someone, I usually don't read the whole thread unless I have time, just alerts to me. I wish you would quote as I can then trace back what the other person said to begin with. Otherwise, out of context it is confusing.

Unless you have someone on ignore, it is #1825. I haven't stated what I believe, only that I object to the Calvinist view on imputed righteousness. Just wait for my response in your alerts as it may be a while. I will address my response to both of you with an "@"