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Remember, Paul figuratively referred to the individuals as branches of an olive tree. The olive tree doesn't represent Christ, the root of the olive tree does. The olive tree represents His kingdom (the kingdom of God). By default, all Israelites were in the kingdom, but those lacking faith were...

You said in post #389 "When the natural body dies our spirit is raised a spiritual body.". That is different than saying our natural body will be raised a spiritual body, as Paul indicated. If you continue reading through verse 54, you can see that what Paul was saying is that our natural body...

Let me spell it out to you then. I have a problem with the idea that Jesus has already come bodily and will not come bodily in the future. The resurrection of the dead won't happen until He comes in the future, so I have a problem with the idea that the resurrection of the dead already occurred...

Right. There's just many examples of horrific things that happend at that time. If people would just take the time to read about the kinds of atrocities that happened at that time, they can then realize that it's silly to think that anything worse will ever happen in terms of atrocities...

I don't understand your question. I don't expect Jesus to return today, though I believe He could. What are you talking about? You are equating death with His return? I can't understand what you're saying. Again, I don't know what you're talking about. You need to learn how to be more...

Read Matthew 24:15-26. It's not His return that cuts the tribulation described in Matthew 24:15-21 short. Jesus indicated that there would be things that would happen some time after the tribulation described in Matthew 24:15-21 was cut short and some of those things are described in verses...

With the way you seem to be thinking about this, how could any event in the future be worse than the flood in Noah's day where only 8 people in the world survived? Is that really the context in which Jesus was speaking?

Right. But, somehow, a future event will involve things that are worse than that and other horrible things that happened at that time? Uh, no, I don't think so. Are people just afraid to read about what happened at that time or what? They severely underestimate how terrible it was. Yet, they...

The context is in relation to all flesh in Judea or Jerusalem, not in the world. Most people in Jerusalem were killed at that time.

Okay, man. I will. There is a difference between the wrath of God that came against unbelieving Jews in 70 AD and the wrath that will come down upon all unbelievers on the earth when Jesus returns in the future. You are not differentiating between the two events for whatever reason. How did you...

What exactly was near at that time? Do you read the first few verses but then ignore this: Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; Clearly, John did not just write about things that would happen soon, but rather...

You have no proof, yet you somehow learned it from the Bible? The Bible never teaches that Jesus came bodily already in the past. Jesus did not return bodily at that time. I make no apologies for calling out your doctrine for what it is (notice I'm talking about your doctrine here, not you...

You say "Exactly!" and then proceed to disagree with what I said? I'm completely baffled. Paul said that the natural body is raised a spiritual body. You, on the other hand, said the spirit is raised a spiritual body. How are you not seeing that you said something different than what Paul said...

Are you asking did He come again bodily yet? Absolutely not. You are sadly mistaken. The first time He came He certainly did what He came to do, but He has not yet come again. When He comes again He will destroy all of His enemies (Matthew 24:35-39, 2 Thess 1:7-9, 2 Peter 3:10-12, etc.). That...

This does not prove anything in terms of what Jesus was talking about in the Olivet Discourse. Jesus was not talking about the gospel in the Olivet Discourse, He was talking about things that would happen in the future after the gospel was taken to the Gentiles. So, there's no reason to think...

What is the context of that verse? Is it regional in scope or global? The preceding verses indicate that it's referring to great tribulation in Jerusalem and Judea in particular, not the entire world. Jesus said that people in Judea would need to flee, not people everywhere. This means that...

Paul never indicated what you said in your last sentence here. Instead, he said this: 1 Cor 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. He indicated that our natural body will be raised a spiritual body, not that our...

I asked "Do you believe that Jesus will return bodily in the FUTURE?"? You did not answer that question. Instead, you indicated that you believe He returned bodily in the PAST. You seem to be a full preterist.

The ones who were cut off were still natural Israelites. It's not as if they were no longer descended from the nation of Israel after being cut off. They were. So, they were not cut off from being descendants of the nation of Israel, they were cut off from Spiritual Israel. As Paul said, not all...

Are you serious? All pre-mills have that perspective because all pre-mills believe that the first resurrection refers to a mass bodily resurrection of believers. Can you name one pre-mill who does not have that perspective? Do you not have that perspective? If so, tell me your understanding of...