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I don't know. You tell me. I never referenced "a physical, spiritual body". I never claimed that. Are you sure you read my post carefully? You are completely misrepresenting my view. I never said they are the same body. Paul said our bodies will be CHANGED. They will be changed from natural to...

You're welcome. Thanks for your kind words. Of course. But, if you read all of 2 Thess 2, you should see that Paul was talking about a future time when wickedness was no longer restrained. Seems to me that a mass falling away from the faith is one of the things that would result from that. And...

So, do you believe that "the end" Jesus referred to in verse 14 will come when He returns at the end of the age? So, do you not think that Matthew 24:15-22 related to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple buildings in 70 AD? One of the questions Jesus was asked was regarding the timing of...

What was the point you were intending to make here by quoting this verse in response to what I had said? What does this verse have to do with Jesus delivering the kingdom to the Father? Doesn't Matthew 13:40-43 show that this happens at the end of the age? It is not until then that God's people...

I disagree. A spirit and a body are two separate parts of human beings. A believer's spirit does not turn into a spiritual body when he or she dies. It's still a spirit. The person's spirit and soul go to heaven, but their body remains dead and will be resurrected when Jesus returns. Our natural...

The word "parousia" is never associated with His Spirit being in us and instead always refers to His future bodily coming. So, I don't know why you're trying to claim that the word "parousia" has something to do with His Spirit coming to dwell in us.

Do you believe that Jesus will return bodily in the future?

Remember, we're talking about the Olivet Discourse. If the sign of His coming was the receiving of the Holy Spirit then why did Jesus not mention that in the Olivet Discourse?

Yes. I explained before how the things spoken about in Bible prophecy aren't always in chronological order. That is clearly the case in other prophecies like what we see in the book of Daniel and the book of Revelation, for example. Not sure if you saw that post or not. I believe Jesus started...

No one is forcing you to take part in this thread. Everyone can decide for themselves what they think is worth discussing or not.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16...

I'm a bit surprised that you wouldn't already know how I interpret those verses since I've commented on them so many times in the past. But, anyway, I apply them to the destruction of Jerusalem. Why do you ask?

I don't want to speak for WPM, so he can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he thinks that preterism is a bigger problem than futurism. I know I don't. But, since it is a problem, then it's worth discussing, isn't it?

It never is used to describe Him as being near/present though His spirit in us. When used in reference to Jesus it always refers to His bodily second coming. It is a word used to describe the act of Him coming/descending from heaven towards earth (but not all the way to earth, of course, since...

Had to divide up my response into two posts because of going over the character limit. He has not yet delivered up the kingdom to God the Father and has not yet put down all rule, authority and power. He does not do that until He comes and destroys His enemies at the end of the age. It is not...

Sure. The discussion between you and me hasn't included any name calling or false accusations. I can deal with false accusations if someone just mistakenly misunderstands what the other said despite at least making an effort to understand it. But, if someone makes a false accusation purposely or...

The same Greek word, apostasia, translated as "falling away" in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is used in one other verse: Acts 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake (apostasia) Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their...

If you were wrong to begin with almost 40 years ago and you never changed your views then it just means you've been wrong for almost 40 years. There are "preachers of nigh 40 years" who disagree with you, so, apparently, the number of years you preach doesn't determine how much discernment you have.

LOL. I already did. This proves yet again that you don't read everything in my posts. I posted this, which is from the NIV: Galatians 6:14 May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15 Neither...

Yes, exactly. And dispensationalists miss that. They think Paul was saying that the very ones who were cut off because of unbelief were cut off forever. Not so! If they would read Romans 11:11-14, Paul talked about how he hoped to lead some of the ones who were hardened and cut off to salvation...