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Can you explain what difference this makes? If the chosen, which would represent the sheep, are first gathered and then the goats are gathered, what difference does it make? Either way, they are both brought before the throne at the same time and then are separated at the same time. What? I...

I was already aware of that. I'm not even saying it was wrong for them to do that as if I'm saying they translated something wrongly there. No, I'm just saying that it annoys me personally since his name was not Elias, but was Elijah. It's just a personal preference to see him being referenced...

Again, there is no such thing as a Gentile church. The church consists of both Jew and Gentile believers as is stated in scripture many times. Scripture says Jew and Gentile believers are "one body" (Eph 2:16;4:4) and "fellowheirs" (Eph 3:6) with Israelite believers. Everything you're saying...

How about this then. Can you please stop the "exact words" arguments already? You don't interpret Matthew 24:31 according to the exact words written there, you interpret it according to your understanding of OT prophecies. Right? If you're going to use this "exact words" argument then be...

Oh brother. Is this going to devolve into a KJV vs. NIV debate? The Bible was not originally written in English. Neither the KJV nor the NIV are perfect, but they are both good translations. I use both. With that said, I see Jesus saying that John the Baptist was the Elijah to come in the KJV...

I asked you a question first. I don't want to have a discussion where I am the only one who answers questions. If you are implying something about Matthew 24:31 based on your understanding of OT prophecies, that's one thing. But, don't try to say that we should accept the exact words of...

You say the change to incorruptible bodies occurs upon each person's death. Paul said it happens at the last trumpet. Has the last trumpet sounded yet? Yes or no? 1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the...

According to Jesus, the Elijah to come that was prophesied in Malachi was John the Baptist. Matthew 11:11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the days of...

Where are the "exact words" in Matthew 24:31 which say that it's "the regathering of Israel to her promised land"?

All the people are gathered at once, so I would not describe it as two gatherings. But, obviously, the people are separated into two groups. What are you talking about exactly? What is the sequence that you're seeing there? If we start discussing Zechariah 14 then we might end up spending a...

These are things that no other pre-trib in the world believes, so I'm not going to waste time just addressing the beliefs you have all to yourself.

You have. You're just not remembering it. That's all fine and good. But, at the same time, this is not a forum to discuss how we're going to serve Christ together, it's a forum to discuss end times doctrine. And we're all passionate about it. If we see what we believe is a false teaching being...

I will start then by pointing out that it doesn't say He comes to earth. If you disagree, then show me where it says that. Also, the gathering doesn't take place after He comes to judge. All people will have already been gathered before He sits on His throne to judge. What takes place after He...

You are. I haven't said anything outlandish or overly personal, but you keep taking offense. And you never have? Hmmm. Anyway, I'm telling you that I will make more of an effort to not make things personal now since I don't want that to get in the way of the discussion. I'm fine with that. I...

Well, for a little while there that was true and then...not so much. You started taking things a bit personally after awhile. I read all of it, so I know I'm not just making this up. Well, I'm not trying to make anything personal. You can choose to believe that or not. I will at least make an...

That depends on what you mean by literal? Do you just mean physical? If so, then yes. Do you believe he literally saw a beast that had seven heads and ten horns? I do. But, did that represent an actual literal beast with seven literal heads and ten literal horns? No, right? Same thing with the...

Sure, I'm up for that. You can get it started wherever you want.

I'll try not to say certain buzzwords that trigger you, but I shouldn't have to walk on eggshells when talking to you. Can you at least try to not be so sensitive? I just want to discuss these things and don't intend to make it personal. Just know that. I may slip up here and there on that, but...

This is a place where people debate things. It's never pleasant when people disagree with you, so if that's something that bothers you so much, then maybe this is not the kind of thing for you. We're not exchanging gifts here, we're debating scripture. There's no reason to be so sensitive and...

So have I. And I'm sure so has David in NJ. Yet, he and I disagree with you completely on the timing of the rapture. So, are we praying and studying harder than you or are you praying and studying harder than us? Or is there more to it than that? I vote for the latter. What does this even mean...