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Actually the first church was founded By Peter James and John is Jerusalem. Then Paul started many churches in the roman empire And it looked nothing like the roman catholic church. Would be nice if you could stick to the word. And not history. The jews stuck to history and the written words...

Good day If you thought you were going to change me, You thought wrong. You made my faith even stronger. Thank you

Your church has no authority either, Just because they claim they do. does not mean they do I never claimed to have any authority, So again, You have come full circle Your reasonings fall flat. But you think it is your church against me. or me against your church, Its not

Do you mean the roman church? If the roman church was the church established before the NT was even written. Would they not resemble the church the NT portrays? if it does not. why not? did the church change?

Who told anyone to listen to me? That's all your focused on. I never asked anyone to listen to me, That's your false insinuation

No If this is how you are going to act. Then why both continuing?

I never said I had the authority, So your question was based on a false premise So there is no answer.

so you listen to a church, not god just like I said thank you

I never said we both were right and again, If I read scripture, and get it wrong, who is at fault? Me? Or some people who told you to listen to them no matter what? Your the one in a conundrum not me

isnt this your argument Now who is coming full circle?

why are you acting this way its ok for you to bear false witness? But not ok for someone else?

we are not in a conundrum. Your just trying to use this to prove to yourself you are right. We can all three disagree, and thats ok Even if one of us is right, and the rest of us are not Where do we find out which one is right? You say your church? We say the word of God (which was...

here is the kicker If I get it wrong, Its on me, I will suffer because I should have known better If they get it wrong, Its because they blindly followed people who told them to listen to them only, they are pillar and foundation. WHo is going to suffer more? Me because I have no one to...

I do not listen to me, I listen to God Your bearing false witness, Do you need to go talk to your priest? If a man says something, I test what that man says, I stopped blindly following men when I found out alot of what I was taught growing up was false.. If I was like you and still blindly...

yep lets make a mockery and misrepresent what someone said Does it make you feel better?

whatever man Go earn your salvation James said our faith is justified by our works (proven) Go earn your salvation. I will pray you do enough work to earn your freedom from eternal judgment Me? I will recieve Gods grace. Knowing I am unworthy

No, You listen to a man You g to scripture, verify what that man said lines up with scripture. If it does. You believe him (in that area) if he does not. You question him, fact is. No man is 100 % accurate in everything, If you think they are. You must think they are like God.

yep THE church, that does not mean it is YOUR church. God also told you to test each doctrine to make sure it is from God. and not to blindly listen to men. Are you telling me that if a pope wanted to change a doctrine from the doctrine of God to a doctrine he wants to insert of his own will...

is who right?

why do you think Jesus came to die The penalty of sin is death If a man is caught committing murder. and is given the death penalty. Can anything he does other than his death pay for his crime? can hid debt be considered paid because he goes and immerses himself in water, Says some prayers...