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You can say that all you want but the bible says we are chosen before the foundation by gods foreknowledge. According to gods will what was gods will? I have posted it twice now I would not want to limit gods omniscience

No! this is not true it says they are elect based on foreknowledge based On gods will gods will is all who see and believe will be saved faith in God is not a work. I do not earn my salvation because I trusted in God to completely save me that makes no sense. The fear you all have of...

Correct. The whole world. Not just the elect!

Of course he who does not believe is condemned already they chose their fate

He does his will is all who see and believe will be saved and his will is that non of them will be lost I have faith god will fulfill his will

It means the world It can also mean children if Satan

This is not the norm this is the extreme. And not from God

That’s fine I am Content to question what they say in certain cases. In fact I think we all should

Data is useless if you have no starting point if you were not there 6000 years ago, you have no starting point, you have to guess, all science is based on known principles. If the basic principles are unknown, all we have is guesses.

True, but we still have to admit out limitations, and not just assume something we can’t prove

We been through this in the other chat room Your just as wrong here as you were there. God does not create people to send to hell. He is a loving God. And if he is to PROVE his love, he must offer all people his love, Otherwise, He is a respector of persons. But hey, If you want to puff...

Yeah they were. Sadly we have no writings or people who were alive back then to tell us how thing were back then. All we can do is guess. Thats what you claim. But as with everything else, I disagree

Sorry my friend What I am talking abut is the fact. 1. We are dead because of tress-passes and sins. 2. We have been made alive in Christ, having been forgiven of all tresspasses and sin. Do I need to post the passage or do you remember it now? Grace is grace. Unmerited. Have no idea where...

God does not go back on his word. I would take God at his word. And not true to change what he said. If God promised it would happen. It will.. Thats why we have such a great faith, because God is trustworthy. If God is unfaithful. Then we may as well go find another source to place our...

I will let Gods word speak for itself. 2 Peter 3:9 [Full Chapter] The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance

Yes I do. And God promised he would restore them to the land their fathers had. Ezekiel 36:28–32 (NKJV): Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. 29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain...

Pio[d yep but it is his will that NONE should perish but all should come to life. He is a loving God.. Loving all his creation. He did not create them to send them to hell.

World does not earn just the elect. If God wanted us to think only the elect. He would have used that term. Just like he never used the word baptize, and we should not as many do think Jesus spoke of water baptism. He did not use the world elect. So we should not assume or add that this is what...

The tax collector was in an unregenerate stated. That’s WHY he Got on his knees, He say his sinfulness, and repented. It was after this that he went home justified. The judaism was in an unregeneratove state also. But was puffed up in pride thinking he was worthy of Gods love, so never...

Anyone who sees and believes. As written, there will people who see yet do not believe. Just like many of his disciples there who walked wiht him no more. They saw. But they did not believe