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Wonderfully put @amadeus !

His grace for mankind was not needed before sin. And, as grace is part of His character, it has always been there.

Very well put Willie. Preaching the Gospel in Church, as a rule...is basically "preaching to the choir". Jesus said "go". Be in the world to shine His light to the lost. Not OF the world as that would make us just as lost. I enjoy fellowship and edification, and that is why I attend services.

True saving grace came to me while literally on my face, in my bedroom, broken and in despair. It was all about submission for me. Total submission...and that was the day God opened my eyes like never before.

His Glory is from eternity. Sin revealed His grace.

Adam and Eve did.

It seems as though you are adding sin and evil to the character of God, who made all things very good. Gen. 1:31 “And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”

I am looking forward to your new thread.

IMO, the hardest part of all is separating the physical from the Spiritual. Different realms-Time vs Eternity? If we, or should I say "when" we try to understand spiritual things with our own understanding, confusion abounds. It is a mystery. The only go to that I will depend on is the Holy...

Thanks for the uplift my friend! And, indeed He DID say :) ♥

You are right, how do we know what others have to be subject to at the hands of one who professed to love and cherish them til death do they part. Amen!

Does anyone here think God would look at a woman and her children being beaten and abused in every way on a regular basis, deciding to divorce said "husband" -as sinning? Should she just stay and live with that kind of abuse? Or, is it that she should just physically take herself and her...

Why has nobody mentioned the subject of Gods 7 Angels and 7 bowls of His wrath? It seems that would have to play into this rapture doctrine, as those are what the Church hopes to escape.

Do doubts EVER creep in? I have gotten to recognize when Satan tries to steal and kill my hope and joy in The Lord. There are dry periods-peaks and valleys. But, somehow, God brings me back to His words and promises! So, there are times I do not "feel" saved but, "know" I am ♥

Oh now I want cake too...just made a cup of coffee, would go so well yummy. I do enjoy this site very much, I did check out one a few months back but, did not last more than a day or two...I missed everybody here, and was not liking the atmosphere there, I will NOT go into what I thought of the...

A highly difficult thing to live without a helpmeet to begin with but, to come to the knowledge one is living in sin with their own spouse?? Not at all easy to walk away from one we love. Personally speaking, it is the hardest of anything I had to do. Ha, maybe ignorance IS bliss!

Yes, sure did notice they seem to disappear at the same time...this is a long one for Rollo it seems. This is the only Christian site I am on. It's enough for me, lol.

Hard sayings, but they are in there none the less. I would liken it to if a gay person becomes a Christian, and accepts they have to live as a celibate, but, then meets and falls in love with someone and they live together. If the gay person repented, and left the partner...they are back in...

I miss Rollo :( He has maybe been raptured!!!!! LOL>

Neither will I debate this with you as, you are correct, I do not have enough knowledge. I can understand that what you say can easily fit into what you say. It is a huge study and, yes, I have learned what I know about this issue through teachers and my own reading. What I do not see...