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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    That's not a straightforward answer to my question, though! I asked you if you believe that the wrath referenced in Luke 21:23 is God's wrath. Yes or no? Is it too much to ask for you to answer yes or no to that question?
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    John 2:19-22 has nothing to do with the Olivet Discourse. You trying to make it so is embarrassing and is a horrible case of twisting scripture to fit your view. Explain to me exactly how Jesus's body was destroyed with no stone left upon another. How does that even make sense symbolically?
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Why do you have such trouble giving straightforward answers to straightforward questions? I didn't ask you that, I asked you if you believe that the wrath referenced in Luke 21:20-24 is God's wrath. Yes or no?
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    It's that simple? I can't make sense of what you said here at all. The disciples were very clearly talking about the temple standing at that time and Jesus was talking about THAT temple. But, you turn it into Him talking about a future temple? But, you also say He was talking about His body when...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Thanks for the response. I, of course, completely disagree, but you already know that. So, do you see this event as being God's wrath? You didn't answer that part of what I asked about. As I showed, Luke 21:23 indicates that this event has to do with God's wrath against the Jews in Jerusalem.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I fully understand that you are very robotic and can't address other's arguments. All you can do is repeat yourself without actually addressing anything other's say.
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I'm not seeing any logic here at all. God commanded animal sacrifices long ago and they were performed as a foreshadowing of Christ's sacrifice (Hebrews 10:1). How exactly does that turn into animal sacrifices being performed again in the future? Which passage exactly are you talking about? I...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Do you believe that the disciples were talking about His body here: Matthew 24:5 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. Whatever temple the disciples were talking about there is the same temple Jesus was...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Does what? I can't read your mind. Give me an example of what you're talking about.
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    :Laughingoutloud: I mean, it is your post, so it would be weird if you didn't think it was a good post. ;)
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Let's take a break from the repetitive back and forth for a minute and look at this from another angle. If Jerusalem will be surrounded by armies in the future, then who do you think that will be (what armies?) and why? Luke 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    This seems like a cop out. What are you afraid of here? Let me just spell out why I'm asking this. Earlier, you said that the animal sacrifices would not be for the atonement of sins. But, the animal sacrifices described in Ezekiel 40-48 would be for the atonement of sins, as described in...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Apparently, he thinks that when Jesus said "see all these things?" and proceeded to tell them they would all be destroyed with no stone left upon another He was talking about His body parts. ;)
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    It's always ridiculous when someone says something like "Unless you think God lies". Do you really think I would believe that God would ever lie? I'm sure you don't believe that I would think that, so why say something like that? How does my disagreeing with your understanding of God's word...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The beliefs of the early Chiliasts were the antithesis of modern Premil

    So, if you understand that God has never abandoned His people, why do you believe He will restore His people in the future? Why would He need to restore people when He never abandoned them in the first place? I wasn't lying, I was going by things you have said. Maybe you should try to be more clear.
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The beliefs of the early Chiliasts were the antithesis of modern Premil

    No, I do not. Scripture does not teach that anywhere. I'm sure your belief is based on Romans 11:25-26, but you are misinterpreting that passage. You have the wrong Israel in in mind. In which of the two Israels that Paul wrote about earlier in his letter to the Romans are all saved? Romans...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The beliefs of the early Chiliasts were the antithesis of modern Premil

    Who exactly is being replaced in replacement theology? Are you saying unbelieving, Christ rejecting Israelites are being replaced by Gentile believers? Is that your description of replacement theology? If so, that is not what anyone here believes. Gentile believers don't replace anyone, they get...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Another robotic auto response from you. You seem incapable of forming any new thoughts or specifically addressing what others say. I'm not sure why I gave you another chance, but I'm just not willing to deal with your repetitiveness anymore.
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The beliefs of the early Chiliasts were the antithesis of modern Premil

    What exactly are you getting at here? The moral law includes things like not lying, not stealing, not committing adultery. Do you think those things are no longer in effect? Do you think anyone is still required to follow all 613 commandments, including all the dietary laws and all the rituals...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The beliefs of the early Chiliasts were the antithesis of modern Premil

    Do you? Are you aware that not everyone even defines that the same way? In my view I don't have anyone being replaced, I have Jew and Gentile believers being brought together as one. So, I don't care if you want to claim that I promote replacement theology. I promote unity. In Romans 11 Paul was...