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Thank you. I really wanted someone like @Wrangler to provide them for us. He / they need to own them. ”You are not a disciple of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill“ has civilian non-combatant blood on its hands, and it wants more.

Well then judge the earliest followers of Jesus who - like Jesus and the apostles - history documents did not kill their enemies. “You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.” Thank you. The Lord rebuke you.

May the justice which you seek to mete out to others be meted out to you. I have accepted it. More than once now I’ve advised you to wait for Messiah to return. No. I acknowledge that he will do what God has appointed him to do.

Father and son meet across the field of battle, both harboring the “You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill” teaching in their heart. As the father thrusts his sword into his son and his son blows a hole in his father’s stomach, both men lay dying, thinking of the...

@Wrangler knows the consequences of using a sword. (He‘s a modern-day Crusader.) He wants those consequences. He needs those consequences. He lives for those consequences. He may die for, and from, those consequences. He’s leading others down the same path. *** ”You are not a follower of Jesus...

A request to those who are calling on the followers of Jesus to fight the wars of the nations: You can’t guarantee that Christian soldiers can avoid inflicting non-combatant casualties any more than you can guarantee that non-Christian soldiers can avoid inflicting non-combatant casualties...

“IASP condemns the pain and suffering caused by the violence of war, especially to civilian populations and hospital facilities. We are grateful for the health care workers, physicians, and scientists working hard to relieve pain in difficult and dangerous circumstances.”...

Jesus to his disciples -> “Go and purchase swords to kill one another with.” That’s not the teaching of Jesus of Nazareth. That’s the teaching of ”another Jesus”.

Washington was wrong. The Chaplains were wrong. Christians from here killed Christians from there, and Jesus? Well, you think he’s pleased with his followers killing one another. https://www.plough.com/en/topics/justice/nonviolence/blessing-the-bombs

The nations of the world are perfectly capable of warring against one another without Christian participation.

Thanks. I just wanted to know what you thought about it. I agree with you that they are incompatible ideas and that the second idea shouldn’t be taught to newbies.

What was the position of Christianity before the Just War theory?