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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    All that means is that it was His intention for the gospel to first be preached in Israel before going to the Gentiles, as He indicated in verses like Acts 1:8. You seem to read a lot more into it than that.
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    LOL. Taking them for what they plainly say? No wonder you want to just ignore 1 Corinthians 2:9-16. It doesn't support your approach to interpreting scripture. Your approach doesn't require any spiritual discernment which means the Holy Spirit doesn't have to teach or reveal anything to anyone...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    It happens just after that. Jesus will physically destroy all His enemies when He returns and the judgment occurs after that.
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Same is true when you literalize scriptures that are meant to be spiritual or figurative. The fact is that some scripture is spiritual, so your advice is useless. It would only be useful if all scripture was literal, but that clearly is not the case. We need to discern whether any given verse or...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I don't really care what you think is odd, I care what scripture teaches. So, you think Jesus will be on earth slaying people with a literal sword coming out of His mouth then?
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    What does this even mean? Clearly, the book of Revelation is not all literal. So, I don't see that you have much of a point here. So, I ask you again. Where does Revelation 19 show Jesus on earth? This is a simple, straightforward question.
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Why can't you understand that he is not interested in debating against people who don't even post here? I share his view on that. It's frustrating when people like you defer to others like Thomas Ice instead of just giving your own thoughts on things. I have no interest in looking at some...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    This seems like a non-answer to the question. Surely, we can determine if the "thousand generations" referenced in Deuteronomy 7:9 is literal or not. It's actually quite easy to determine. We know that God's promises never expire, so it can't possibly be referring to a literal thousand...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Randy, you're not paying attention. You're better than that. Did you not see the quote of Justin Martyr that I showed you? He was an early church Premil and he said there were many true Christians who believed otherwise from his Premil belief. Shouldn't we believe an actual early church father...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    What is the third woe?

    No, the sixth trumpet ends at the end of Revelation 9. Revelation 10 is then a parenthetical passage, as is Revelation 11:1-13. The seventh trumpet ends at the end of Revelation 11. I believe it is parallel with the seventh vial and with the description of the second coming of Christ in...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Where does Revelation 19 say anything about Jesus being on earth?
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Changing scrpiture means to change the meaning of scripture. Obviously, the Jerusalem that will exist when the new heavens and new earth are ushered in will be the new Jerusalem. So, I'm not changing scripture, I'm interpreting it in a way that lines up with the rest of scripture. There isn't...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    All people from all-time. That lines up with Acts 17:30-31 which says a day has been set when He will judge "all people everywhere"/"everyone" in the world. The Greek word translated as "nations" there is "ethnos" and that can also mean people in general. It's clearly not talking about nations...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    No, it indicates that someone 100 years old would be considered a child. That would be the literal interpretation. You're saying young instead of a child, so you're not taking it literally that a 100 year old would be considered a child. Young compared to some others is not the same as being a...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Suddenly, you're not taking the verse literally anymore and it's only about how things seem (a child/youth only in comparison to someone older rather than literally being a child/youth) instead of how they actually are. Interesting. You shouldn't have a problem with me not taking the verse...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You specifically referenced Jeremiah 31:34, which is part of what was quoted in Hebrews 8:8-13 in relation to the new covenant, which you acknowledge is already in effect. So, what do you want from me here? You were acting as if Jeremiah 31:34 supported your doctrine, but it doesn't. That was my...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    What gives is your complete lack of spiritual discernment. Jew and Gentile believers are now together as one and you're trying to keep them separate. Terrible. No "holy nation" would include unbelievers, as you think is the case. That's complete nonsense.
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    What had they formerly not been citizens of? Israel. Why would the mention of them now being fellow citizens not relate directly to what Paul said they were formerly not citizens of? What rational reason do you have to not make the connection that he was saying that they formerly were not...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Paul said in Romans 9:6 "For not all who ARE descended from Israel ARE Israel". He was clearly speaking of two Israels that existed at that time. He was speaking in present tense. You're acting as if he said "Not all who are descended from Israel will be Israel". You are clearly twisting the...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    So, yes, you do consider Isaiah 65:18-19 to be about the new heavens and new earth. Why do you not also see verse 20 as being about the new heavens and new earth then? Isaiah 65:18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I will create, for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight and its people...