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Those are not two separate events. Paul continues discussing the second coming into 1 Thess 5, so 1 Thess 4:13-5:11 is all about the second coming. Paul first talks about what will happen to believers on the day He comes and then he goes into what will happen to unbelievers on the day He comes...

I pay attention to what you say and consider it. And, usually, I can't make any sense of it. That's just the way it is. It's nothing personal. Okay, I don't think I would go that far. I may have been exaggerating a bit. I was really referring to our end times doctrine in particular since that's...

You missed the point. The reason we can stand firm against the devil is because he is bound. Do you think it was the case in Old Testament times that people could resist the devil and he had to flee from them? No. That has only been the case in New Testament times because of us having the Holy...

I appreciate your honesty here. Thanks.

Well, it's abundantly clear that you have no understanding of the New Testament. Memo to Rich R. Christians, made up of Jew and Gentile believers, are God's people and nationality has nothing to do with it. God is not a respecter of persons, but you make Him out to be one.

How convenient for you to conclude that it's not talking about all of the children of promise. You interpret scripture with a great deal of doctrinal bias.

What is wrong with you, Randy? Did I not make myself clear? When I'm here, I want to talk to other people here and not go to other websites and read what other people are saying. Is there something hard to understand about that? Equating looking at the Bible with looking at quotes from Thomas...

They will be killed at that point (as if they can actually hide from Jesus...no) and then resurrected to be judged shortly after just as Revelation 20:9-15 depicts. Is there something difficult to understand about that?

That's not true at all. It just so happens that I disagree with pretty much everything you say. So be it. That's just the way it is sometimes. But, it isn't because I'm not spending any time reading what you're saying. Who told you that I don't do research? I have done plenty and I could not...

No, it absolutely is not a stretch. That is exactly what Revelation 1:5-6 indictaes. John was clearly writing to both Jew and Gentile believers in the book of Revelation. The book was addressed to churches that had Jew and Gentile believers in them and the book was address to all of them. There...

No one is saying that the Gentiles have replaced Israel. What scripture teaches is that the Gentiles have joined with Israelite believers in one body as fellow heirs of God's promises. Why don't you understand this? It's explicitly taught in the New Testament repeatedly.

Why would you quote 1 Peter 5:8 but not 1 Peter 5:9? 1 Peter 5:8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9 Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is...

Because it's unbiblical. Of course, no one would have a problem with it if that actually happened, but it's not going to happen. Paul indicated that he hoped some of them would be saved (Romans 11:14). And then he turned around just a little later and said they will all be saved? That's...

Yet, I do that all the time, so you couldn't possibly be more wrong. I back up my views with scripture as much as anyone here and you still say this to me? Unbelievable.

Romans 11 is not talking about nations having faith and being grafted in to the cultivated olive tree and nations being in unbelief and being cut off from the olive tree. No, that would be nonsense. The branches of the cultivated olive tree represent individuals who are saved. It is individuals...

You misunderstood. You have made it quite clear that you are not capable of expanding my thinking with the nonsense that you keep posting. Sorry if that's harsh, but your response here made it clear to me that you're not getting the point. I have learned things from others here, but I have not...

I have no idea of what you're talking about. Please explain. If you have death, mourning, crying and pain still occurring after the new heavens and new earth are ushered in, then you are blatantly contradicting Revelation 21:4. And that seems like what you are doing.

Say what now? What you're saying has nothing to do with anything I said, so what was your point here? Hey "bro", that is not taught anywhere in scripture. Passages like Daniel 12:1-2 and John 5:28-29 indicate that the wicked will be judged right after being resurrected. And verses like John...

No, it absolutely does not. It only proves that the vengeance comes first and then the LOF destruction, which is not a problem for Amil at all since we believe that the vengeance comes first and then the judgment right afterwards, as portrayed in Revelation 20:9-15. Not at all. Stop your lies...

They may die again? What nonsense.