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I was only confused as to why you said I was confusing John3 with-John3. You can assume anything you like about me. Romans 8:16 is a reality in my relationship with my King Jesus. I only care that God looks to the heart and am so grateful He is who he is. Even Satan, called into question the...

"Because every single person on planet earth is born from their mothers womb, lol. " Exactly...the. first. birth. " Everybody on planet earth is not born again until they confess and believe" Exactly...the. second. birth. Thank you for all the reply's and likes, I am sorry if I'm ruffling...

No my new friend...you hit the nail on the head on the head! Either since I am new, they are waiting to see how I fit here, or don't Or their just plain thick skulled Ahahahaha!!!

Okay, now, I am not the grammmmer, spelling typo kinda gal but, I am confusing John3 with...John 3? Lol...And...what makes you so sure that Jesus was not referring to that first birth when saying you need to be born of water and THEN the Spirit?

sry bout typos...am having a very long recovery from surgery and have to move around allot in my bed and the positions can make typing awkward and slow!

"The opportunity to hear the Lord calling and respond." <--- That is one of my frequent prayers for my lost neighbors and loved ones who do not YET know Jesus...many opportunities! Many years ago, when I first responded to His call, I had a friend who told only me that she was pregnant. She...

There is not a thing I disagree with in your post Enoch111 I am simply trying to distinguish the FIRST birth from the SECOND/NEW birth (Born Again). To be born again, you had to FIRST be born to begin with. So, what is, in your opinion, the first birth, which precedes the second (Spiritual)...

Heb, I am well aware of what being born again from Heaven entails. My point here is, what is the first birth then?

Can't be born of the Spirit unless you are first born naturally...Just my understanding.

Aw, thank you so much Helen you are a kind lady :). Yes, it seems I am not getting my point across very well, lol. I was not even thinking about water baptism when I wrote the OP, lol...I was baptized as an infant (Catholicism) then again in 1993 as an adult. To me is signified my confessing...

"they have to be both born of the world-(Through natural means, mom) along with being born in God through Jesus Christ..." Can't help it, unless someone can make better sense of this issue to me, other than the same scriptures that really have nothing to do with my post (except John 3) it...

"Jesus spoke to the chief Rabbi and said he had to be first born as a human (water) and then reborn as a spiritual human being with the regenerative (spirit) of God. Flesh is born of flesh, spirit is born of spirit."--Yes! That is just what I said. First Birth-womb surrounded by water. Second...

It has nothing to do with the New Birth! If one becomes Born AGAIN does that not mean they were already born once? - In the natural? Then the second birth is spiritual...Never said being born of a woman was being "Born again".

I never said that ones "natural" birth was the spiritual birth...being born again means you were first born ONCE---of water/natural/womb...then you become born of the Spirit through Jesus Christ hence-born AGAIN anew Spiritually.

Thank you Heb 13:8, but I still think what I wrote is definitely plausible. I also understand that "water" has several different uses in the bible. Thank you for the reply! God Bless -nancy

After many years of hearing, reading and believing that we MUST be water baptized to be truly saved, there has been a shift in that belief as I have prayed, studied and searched. The idea of first being born of water has me starting to look at the Nicodemus passage differently. I can't get...

Hidden In Him : Love that Meme :D

Epostle1 "Does your new nature rob you of the freedom to make the wrong choices?" No sir, of course not. On the contrary, my new nature causes me to want the will of God and nothing less...the new man does not desire the old ways. And in fact, causes me/us to want to make right choices. :)

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Yes, he is an awesome writer...loved Mere Christianity too...loved The Screwtape Letters. Those are the only books of his I read but, read allot about him. Did you ever see the movie Shadowlands? It's about C.S. Lewis. Anthony Hopkins plays him...very good.