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* The veggies aren’t intimidated. It’s just that cookies and ice cream are nocturnal and veggies aren’t. *

The god of this world hates mankind and is busily working against us. You’ve made a sound observation and taken a good first step. Why don’t you take the time that you’ve freed up to read Flew?

The narrative doesn’t rule out “the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan”( Rev. 20:2) being a rebellious angel. His role is the tempter. We have two differences here. I don’t believe that all angels have been granted immortality and I believe that immortalized man will not be...

“You cannot argue people into the kingdom of God.” - Alister McGrath

I agree. The Christadelphians (among others) don’t believe in the existence of rebellious / fallen angels. The devil and the demons, they believe, are not real personalities. Their mantra - if it’s fair to call it that - is “no origin story = not real”. Free will guarantees at least the...

That’s a point of agreement for us. Man’s sin was introduced by Eve’s having been deceived and Adam’s wrong choice. There is no room for angel’s with free will to sin in your position. There is in mine. All rebellion against God - whether by angels or by man - is evil. I see both happening...

* Really, really evil.*

Excellent. That’s the feedback I was looking for and hoping to find. I haven’t spent a great amount of time speaking with people who don’t believe in the existence of rebellious angels. It’s a common argument that man must have free will in order to love God. This is the first time it has...

I think most people who believe God exists would say without hesitation that God loves human beings and God wants human beings to love him. God doesn’t force us to love him. The question I would like to ask in this thread is: Does God love the angels and does God want the angels to love him...

* Yes. But I must say, we like Daryl’s enthusiasm. I’ll write with him any time. *

* Long ago and far away, there once was a place when it would have been realized by everyone instantly. Better late than never, I suppose. *