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.....the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Please redefine it.

....by him and THROUGH HIM.....don't forget that verse. Be nice or I will post verses that say the FATHER made everything.

Please explain EXACTLY the process that Michael became Jesus?

Arguing...debating....same thing.

Barney, I am speaking in your stead. I "forced" you to say that Michael the angel incarnated(or morphed into) into Jesus the man. You need to learn to articulate this openly.

You skipped the book of Acts...completely. Figures.....

Real good post with one exception....Grace is obeying Acts 2:38. There is no "point of Grace" etc. Just Acts 2:38 to be saved("what shall we do"). After Acts 2:38 is obeyed, then Grace that allowed it, continues in one's life per the Epistles.

Are you referring to the 1st century Apostles or the extra Biblical writers?

The spoken word in Gen 1 made everything.(God said....) The spoken word was eventually made flesh.... 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that...

No, you "imply" it doctrinally.

The spoken word of God was made flesh. Let's make a deal here... I will not call your spoken word a separate and distinct person if you will not call the spoken word of God a separate and distinct person, okay?

No, you stick around and argue your ideas anytime you want on my threads. It is better to debate a cause without settling it, than to settle it without debating it...agreed?

I think it should be discussed though, since I am spilling my guts about what I believe.

Jesus was made a little lower than the angels, correct? This implies Jesus was not an angel.,

So you really do teach that Michael the Archangel became a sperm cell, then eventually grew into a man then died for our sins. I didn't know that someone taught "God was in an angel(Michael), reconciling the world to Himself, etc" or "In the beginning was an angel, and angel was with God and an...

Then why dont you say "in the beginning was Jesus and Jesus was with Jesus and Jesus was God"?

Do you really think that God(2nd person) became a man or did He start out as a microscopic sperm cell?

Barney, don't you guys teach the Jesus is Michael the Archangel that gave his life?

Actually, he came to me(as the Holy Ghost) in 1979. I never sought him, originally. He never left.

You lost me on this one.