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  1. Truther

    How Should We Read the Church Fathers?

    I disagree. False doctrine is the problem. You name it, they teach it. Especially denominations. They cannot reform, fearing a mass exodus of folks realizing they had been duped.
  2. Truther

    How Should We Read the Church Fathers?

    To the Bible lovers, they can line up with the Bible to change views and resolve differences. The rest will never agree with the Bible and each other.
  3. Truther

    Is the nation of Israel really of the devil, fooling Christians?

    You should compare apples to apples. Jews to gentiles. All are corrupt Are you, a gentile, better than they? Read Romans 11:25-26 lately? Is this passage speaking of future National Israel or someone else?
  4. Truther

    How Should We Read the Church Fathers?

    Just trust your English translation called the KJV. God set us up in these last days. Celebrate it
  5. Truther

    How Should We Read the Church Fathers?

    The reformation only brought back fragments of truth over centuries. The church is still trying to claw its way out of it. Anti baptism and tithing are just 2 of the many examples of this
  6. Truther

    How Should We Read the Church Fathers?

    I disagree, the early church fathers were the ones that the apostles were speaking about which would change doctrine, creating doctrines of Devils. They were not thinking 2000 years down the road but thinking about their time, even after their departure.
  7. Truther

    How Should We Read the Church Fathers?

    I don't read any ECF, nor do I read any commentary anymore. I only read the Bible as the lone source. I don't mind historical references, but to listen to commentary which is nearly always wrong in some way....no thanks. How do we think the Christian faith splintered into hundreds of groups...
  8. Truther

    Is the nation of Israel really of the devil, fooling Christians?

    Who is worthy of what? Are you worthy of NT salvation? The Jews in Israel are not worthy? Oh boy!
  9. Truther

    I doubt that God incarnated, but believe Jesus is God

    Do you think that Jesus Christ was at one point in his life embryonic?
  10. Truther

    Is the nation of Israel really of the devil, fooling Christians?

    So you are saying that either God lied to the fathers or Jesus stole the promise from the fathers.
  11. Truther

    Is the nation of Israel really of the devil, fooling Christians?

    Christ took the fathers' promises? It is He that inherited Caanan land? Shouldn't we move there?
  12. Truther

    Is the nation of Israel really of the devil, fooling Christians?

    Do you think the church has replaced future National Israel and can lay claim to all of these OT promises to the fathers instead of national Israel?
  13. Truther

    Is the nation of Israel really of the devil, fooling Christians?

    Nope. Jesus simply said it was none of their business regarding the time when the promise to national Israel will be fulfilled. He told them never mind that..,,
  14. Truther

    Is the nation of Israel really of the devil, fooling Christians?

    Unless you are Judah and Benjamin, no you do not take their promise. You/I are merely included in their future promise per Hebrews 10:15-17. The fact is, a doctrine called replacement theology has trained us to steal the promise to the fathers. Here the Apostles ask about this future promise...
  15. Truther

    I doubt that God incarnated, but believe Jesus is God

    let's summarize these 2 ideas... Qne group thinks God became an embryonic God, melding a human nature into His divine nature somehow.....fishy! One thinks God made a redo of the 1st Adam(last Adam, Jesus Christ), to fix the blunders of the 1st Adam. The last Adam was filled with and led by...
  16. Truther

    I doubt that God incarnated, but believe Jesus is God

    Human nature is not divine. Human nature is weak. God does not wear flesh...listen to Jesus himself describing what God is.... John 4:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Do you agree with Jesus' description of God?
  17. Truther

    I doubt that God incarnated, but believe Jesus is God

    That is a funny translation. God thought it not robbery to be equal with himself. God gave up His deity. God humbled himself as a man(baby God). God died. God rose from the dead. Now, try this.... 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made...
  18. Truther

    I doubt that God incarnated, but believe Jesus is God

    Why don't we go around saying this anymore?... 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: This kind of talk was standard in the 1st century. Folks these days cringe at this verse, then rethink it...
  19. Truther

    I doubt that God incarnated, but believe Jesus is God

    May I add?.... 17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.... 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with...