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I was a student too - the oldest student - at the time of the incident. I’ve wondered (since the incident happened, not at the time that it happened) why he came to me for help. (We weren’t particularly close. I was married, he was single. I was working as a civil engineer, 40-50 hours per week...

Done with the right attitude, telling the student to depend on God is a way to help him. I don’t think it should be thought of as an “instead of” alternative to restoring his confidence in the reliability of the Bible.

“The Bible is the book of my life. It’s the book I live with, the book I live by, the book I want to die by.” - N.T. Wright

* Well … I’m speechless. *

* I’m going to return my cart (which I always do) and a cart that someone else didn’t the next time I go shopping. *

It’s been a long time now since the incident happened. In my mind, I recall that he was Baptist, a fundamentalist. [I mentioned earlier in the thread that I was raised KJVO. The Baptist church I attended (in the 60’s and 70’s) wouldn’t have condoned the use of the NIV. In fact, my pastor would...

I think they do too.

Thanks for elaborating. I didn’t take that approach with him and I don’t know if it would have helped him or not. It might have.

Thanks. I was just curious. They play no role in my own salvation story.

I’m not following what you’re saying. He was trying to evangelize a Muslim. The Muslim pointed out that John 5:4 isn’t in the NIV. The student didn’t know that, saw for the first time that the NIV skips from verse 3 directly to verse 5, causing him to (briefly) lose confidence in the reliability...

What about the post-biblical creeds? Did they / do they play any role in your personal conversion story?

Thanks. I‘m wondering why the people @GodsGrace is telling us about haven’t done that.

I’m not sure that would have helped him deal with the verse not being in the NIV he was using.

*The latest exciting episode of, Ask the Retired Pastor * Yes. I’ve read Romans 1 and 2. P.S. The last time I read Romans 1 was on 10/21/24. The last time I read Romans 2 was on 10/22/24. That’s just where I am with the reading plan (twice through the New Testament) that I’m using this...

God. Where are they getting their information from? Why haven’t they read the Bible? Everyone needs to know the words of God. Everyone needs to know the words of the Messiah and the Apostles. Everyone needs to know the words of the prophets. Everyone needs to know what is contained in the...

The subject of the thread was how to help someone who has lost trust in the reliability of the Bible. Yes, I understand that. The student worshipped God before his encounter with the Muslim. Forget God. Just give me a Bible? The student didn’t worship the Bible. He had confidence in the...

Well I guess now I can say that I’m acquainted with someone who was saved without ever having a Bible in their hand. This thread has meandered from the second post forward. How were you saved without having a Bible to see for yourself if what you were told was true or not?