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    Which is worse, murder or eternal torture?

    I'm always ready to learn.
  2. M

    Which is worse, murder or eternal torture?

    Yes, that sounds more appealing than the other two options.
  3. M

    Which is worse, murder or eternal torture?

    Permanent death or permanent torture?
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    Conversation with An Atheist

    I rest my case.
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    Which is worse, murder or eternal torture?

    What is everlasting destruction? Doesn't sound like an abrupt end to me... I've been told that Paul meant eternal punishment by some Christians and meant a second death by others.... Which is it? It's quite hard to make the distinction from Colossians.
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    Which is worse, murder or eternal torture?

    Paul didn't know Jesus, correct me if I'm wrong but there's no evidence that their paths crossed in Jesus' lifetime. Paul only saw Jesus after his death in a vision and became a self proclaimed apostle.
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    Which is worse, murder or eternal torture?

    Although he didn't use the words Gehenna or Hades, some theologians argue that Paul's descriptions of "wrath", "vengeance," and being shut out from the presence of God effectively describe the same ultimate reality of damnation and conscious punishment, even if he used different vocabulary...
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    Conversation with An Atheist

    Do you think that I just haven't bothered to try? I used to pray, I've asked for signs, I attended church.... In the end it just felt like talking to myself, I got the feeling that it was me that was the problem, I was doing something wrong... Not getting anywhere because of me not God. You are...
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    Proof of God

    B.) Is incorrect for me. I can't speak for all atheists, but I have never claimed anything about the existence of a God. I have said that I don't believe in any of the God's that I've read or heard about, there is a big difference. As for having the upper hand, I don't really know what you mean...
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    Clean Jokes Thread

    Two flies are sitting on a dog turd, one of them belched, the other said "That's disgusting, can't you see that I'm eating?'
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    Proof of God

    Please explain, how does a none belief in something require faith?
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    Conversation with An Atheist

    I was raised as a Christian and attended Church of England schools, I was a regular at Sunday school in my youth and enjoyed being a part of that. My journey into none belief started when I stopped listening to what I was told, and read the Bible from front to back. The old testament is very...
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    QUOTE for the day

    "I told you that I was ill'. Spike Milligan (on his gravestone)
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    Conversation with An Atheist

    So where would you like to start?
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    Proof of God

    There is some kind of intelligence behind them. The complexity is astonishing.
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    Proof of God

    I'm not dismissing the conclusion, I can see that the laws of mathematics are not man made... I just don't see the connection to the Christian God.
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    Proof of God

    The video wasn't convincing to me. Things in the abstract world of mathematics that look similar to things in the physical universe are in no way evidence of the Christian God. Maybe if the things in the abstract looked like Jesus on the cross, I'd give it more thought. Buddhabrot resembles...
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    Proof of God

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhabrot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhabrot
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    Proof of God

    Which God?
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    Proof of God

    I'll watch tomorrow, it's getting late and my wife is giving me the side eye.