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  1. Moonwood

    So Joseph married Mary but didn’t have sex?

    Post #304 lists your own statements in sequence; if you believe none of them contradict one another, then choose one specific contradiction from that list and explain how the statements involved fit together without conflict. We can address them one at a time, but you need to identify the first...
  2. Moonwood

    Most mysterious bible story

    I wasn’t telling you your position; I was responding to the claims you made about the verse. Since you’re not looking for further discussion, I’ll leave it there. Peace.
  3. Moonwood

    So Joseph married Mary but didn’t have sex?

    I am reading your responses carefully; the issue is not whether you have replied, but that your replies contradict one another, and your latest reply repeats and introduces additional contradictions on top of those already laid out. Repeating the same assertions does not resolve the...
  4. Moonwood

    Most mysterious bible story

    You now agree Jesus is warning them; the green‑wood image is simply the form that warning takes in prophetic speech. It’s not a poetic distraction; it’s the logic of the prophecy. In Luke’s imagery, green wood = the innocent one, Jesus; dry wood = the guilty nation, Jerusalem. The point is: If...
  5. Moonwood

    Birth of Jesus Christ

    You’re free to ignore me if you choose. But stepping away from the discussion doesn’t resolve the textual issues you’ve left unanswered. Your claim rests entirely on the assumption that if Mary were a source, Luke would have recorded Jesus’ entire childhood and Joseph’s life. You’ve repeated...
  6. Moonwood

    So Joseph married Mary but didn’t have sex?

    You said we are “rehashing the same old thing,” but the reason it feels repetitive is not because I am repeating myself. It is because you keep returning to the same claims even after they have been shown to contradict one another. Each time I address one contradiction, you restate the same...
  7. Moonwood

    So Joseph married Mary but didn’t have sex?

    You’re explaining that ancient languages require context to determine meaning — but that’s exactly the point I’ve been making, and it’s the point you keep avoiding. A dictionary gives the range of possible senses; the context determines which sense is actually in play. That’s why appealing to a...
  8. Moonwood

    So Joseph married Mary but didn’t have sex?

    You’re still not engaging the actual arguments. Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 8:3 describe two different women in two different contexts. Isaiah 7:14 speaks of the ‘almah whose child is called Immanuel. Isaiah 8:3 speaks of the prophetess whose child is Maher‑shalal‑hash‑baz. The text never identifies...
  9. Moonwood

    So Joseph married Mary but didn’t have sex?

    I had said, "The Incarnation of the Word was brought about by the Holy Spirit. That describes agency, not identity. Jesus is the eternal Son of the Father because God is one and Triune. The Spirit causes the conception; the Father is the Son’s eternal source. You’re collapsing those categories."...
  10. Moonwood

    So Joseph married Mary but didn’t have sex?

    The Incarnation of the Word was brought about by the Holy Spirit. That describes agency, not identity. Jesus is the eternal Son of the Father because God is one and Triune. The Spirit causes the conception; the Father is the Son’s eternal source. You’re collapsing those categories. So how can...
  11. Moonwood

    So Joseph married Mary but didn’t have sex?

    Your reply still does not resolve the contradiction at the center of your argument. You are now claiming that Yahweh had literal sexual intercourse with Mary, while also claiming that Matthew 1:20 — “that which is conceived in Her is of the Holy Spirit” — does not deny sexual conception. But...
  12. Moonwood

    So Joseph married Mary but didn’t have sex?

    Quoting Matthew 1:25 repeatedly isn’t the same thing as showing that the text actually supports the conclusion you’re drawing from it. The New Testament wasn’t written in English, and ancient Greek terms don’t always map cleanly onto modern English words. That’s why simply repeating an English...
  13. Moonwood

    So Joseph married Mary but didn’t have sex?

    Clearly we disagree — that’s why the discussion has continued. But you were the one who quoted Matthew 1:25 and said, “Looks pretty clear to me,” as evidence that Joseph and Mary later had sexual relations. I quoted the same verse and then explained why that conclusion doesn’t follow from the...
  14. Moonwood

    Most mysterious bible story

    The women are not being told to feel pity for themselves. They are being told to feel alarm for themselves. “Weep” in prophetic literature is the posture of repentance, dread, and recognition of judgment—not self‑pity. If someone sees a man unjustly tortured and then hears him say, “Don’t cry...
  15. Moonwood

    So Joseph married Mary but didn’t have sex?

    I’m not confused; I’m just keeping the discussion on the claim you started with. You quoted Matthew 1:25 and said, “Looks pretty clear to me,” as evidence that Joseph and Mary later had sexual relations. My responses have addressed that specific claim — the Greek heos, Matthew’s narrative...
  16. Moonwood

    So Joseph married Mary but didn’t have sex?

    Your reply still doesn’t engage the actual wording of the passages. You keep asserting that “Son of God” must mean sexual reproduction, but Scripture never says that, and Matthew explicitly denies it. Matthew 1:18 states that Mary was found with child while She was still only betrothed to...
  17. Moonwood

    So Joseph married Mary but didn’t have sex?

    Just to keep the discussion clear: you began by quoting Matthew 1:25 and saying, “Looks pretty clear to me,” as evidence that Joseph and Mary later had sexual relations. I addressed that specific claim directly — the semantics of heos, the narrative purpose of Matthew 1:18-25, and the fact that...
  18. Moonwood

    So Joseph married Mary but didn’t have sex?

    You’re now framing this as a disagreement over “perpetual virginity,” but that’s not actually what began the conversation. You originally cited Matthew 1:25 and said, “Looks pretty clear to me,” as evidence that Joseph and Mary later had sexual relations. My response addressed that specific...
  19. Moonwood

    So Joseph married Mary but didn’t have sex?

    Your response still doesn’t resolve the contradiction I pointed out. Luke 1:35 does not show “both were involved”; it explicitly describes a conception brought about by the Holy Spirit and the power of the Most High, not a sexual act and not a natural conception involving a man. That is why both...
  20. Moonwood

    So Joseph married Mary but didn’t have sex?

    You’re welcome to raise the question of whether Mary was a good wife in another thread, but that’s simply not what Matthew 1:25 is talking about, nor is it what you originally claimed. You cited Matthew 1:25 as evidence that Joseph and Mary later had sexual relations—“Looks pretty clear to me.”...