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  1. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    The distinction I’m making isn’t hypothetical — it comes directly from Luke 11:26 itself. Jesus gives an actual event description of what happens when “seven spirits more wicked than himself” enter a person: That is not symbolic. That is not hypothetical. That is Jesus describing a real...
  2. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    All of the examples of “seven” you listed are positive — but that is because in those cases the number is attached to things God ordains: days, churches, seals, blessings, petitions, covenants, cycles of time. In Luke 11:26, the number seven is not attached to anything divine. It is attached...
  3. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    All of those examples of “seven” symbolizing divine completeness are true — but they apply when the number is attached to things God ordains: days, churches, seals, blessings, petitions, covenants, cycles of time. In Luke 11:26, the number seven is not attached to anything divine. It is...
  4. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    Seven can symbolize completeness in Scripture, but the meaning depends entirely on the context. In Luke 11:26, the context is not “divine” at all — it is the absolute worst possible spiritual condition. Jesus says the person ends up in a state “worse than the first.” So in Luke’s demon...
  5. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    No, Luke 11:26 is not saying demons only travel in groups of seven. It’s not about demon logistics. It’s about the meaning of the number seven in Luke’s vocabulary. In Luke’s Gospel, “seven” is the number Jesus uses to describe a person’s spiritual condition when it is at its absolute worst —...
  6. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    You’re right that Luke doesn’t list Mary Magdalene’s individual sins. But that was never the claim. The claim is simply that Luke defines what “seven spirits” means in Luke 11:26, and that meaning applies whenever Luke uses the phrase — including in Luke 8:2. Lack of biographical detail does not...
  7. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    But that doesn’t address the point. Biblical categories have meanings even when the author doesn’t list every detail. Luke doesn’t need to describe Mary’s symptoms for us to understand what “seven demons” means — because Luke already explained what “seven spirits” means in his own Gospel. “Then...
  8. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    You’re right that Luke doesn’t list Mary Magdalene’s individual sins. But that doesn’t change what Luke’s vocabulary means. We don’t need Luke to describe her symptoms to know what “seven demons” means — we only need Luke to describe what “seven spirits” means in his own writing. And he does...
  9. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    Luke 11:26 is exactly that. “It brings seven other spirits more evil than itself, and the last state of that person is worse than the first.” (Luke 11:26) This is Luke’s own explanation of what seven spirits means: one demon = serious spiritual bondage seven demons = complete spiritual...
  10. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    You’re saying “seven doesn’t mean totality” and “demons can mean different things,” but that’s not how Luke uses those terms. We have to let Luke interpret Luke. 1. Every demon‑possessed person in Luke is portrayed as spiritually oppressed, morally broken, or in bondage: the Gerasene demoniac...
  11. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    In Luke’s Gospel, demon possession is never morally neutral. And Luke uses “seven” to indicate totality (Luke 11:26). So when Luke says Mary Magdalene had “seven demons,” he is describing complete spiritual bondage — a profoundly troubled past, not a neutral illness. Different purpose...
  12. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    Friendly debate is great — and Scripture is exactly where we should stay. But Scripture does give an indication of Mary Magdalene’s troubled past. Luke introduces her as a woman who had “seven demons” (Luke 8:2). In biblical symbolism, seven represents fullness or totality. That means her life...
  13. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    Demons can represent illness in some passages, but Luke never says Mary Magdalene had an illness. Luke says she had “seven demons” (Luke 8:2). In biblical symbolism, seven represents fullness or totality. That means her life was profoundly disordered and spiritually broken. You don’t have to...
  14. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    You don’t need to be a theologian to read what Scripture actually says. Luke introduces Mary Magdalene as a woman who had “seven demons” (Luke 8:2). In biblical symbolism, seven represents fullness or totality — meaning her life was profoundly disordered and morally broken. That doesn’t require...
  15. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    You can disagree, but the narrative logic of John still stands. John 11:2 identifies Mary of Bethany before the Bethany anointing as “the one who anointed the Lord and wiped His feet with her hair.” That means John is referring to a previous hair‑wiping event. He is not describing something that...
  16. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    This isn’t about Catholic doctrine — it’s about what John actually wrote. John explicitly identifies Lazarus and Martha's sister, Mary, as “the one who anointed the Lord and wiped His feet with her hair” (John 11:2) before narrating the Bethany anointing in John 12. The only earlier hair‑wiping...
  17. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    I’m not “fighting hard,” I’m simply pointing to what John actually writes. John explicitly identifies Lazarus and Martha’s sister, Mary, as “the one who anointed the Lord and wiped His feet with her hair” before narrating the Bethany anointing in John 12. That is John’s way of saying she had...
  18. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    The woman in Luke 7 is not a parable. She is a real woman whose act prompts Jesus to tell a parable to Simon. The presence of a parable doesn’t prove she’s a different woman from Mary of Bethany—Jesus often uses parables to interpret real events. What matters is the text itself, and the only...
  19. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    None of the details you’re adding—Mary being well‑known at Lazarus’s funeral, Simon having heard of her, Jesus not being surprised, or the speed of word‑of‑mouth—actually prove these are two different women. They’re imaginative reconstructions, not textual evidence. The only concrete, repeated...
  20. Moonwood

    The Repentant Woman, Mary of Bethany, and Mary Magdalene: One Figure?

    Different times and different places don’t prove different women. The same person can repeat the same distinctive gesture for different reasons, in different places, at different times — repentance in Luke 7, devotion in John 12. The hair‑wiping act is unique in ancient literature and appears...