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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    No it doesn’t say it doesn’t use that exact phrase in either one but are you suggesting neither of those is Jacob’s trouble?
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Both groups in Revelation 20 are part of the first resurrection which matches exactly what Daniel says. Taking the thousand years as literal is throwing you off and making you think Daniel 12 is wrong. I assume you do believe Daniel 12’s account of a single resurrection consisting of the...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    There’s only one way to be saved and that’s by grace through faith whether it was Abraham, King David or me. There is only one gospel.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    That doesn’t override or even address Daniel showing that there is only one resurrection event.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I just realized I typed Daniel 2 instead of Daniel 12.
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Spiritual descendants of Abraham is the same thing as saying they are saved.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    What does that have to do with Daniel 12 Peter? We are talking about how Daniel 12 shows one resurrection with two types of people being raised at that one resurrection - the just and the unjust that and they happen at the same time, not 1000 years apart.
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I’m not a dispensationalist I was explaining what I thought dispensationalim was. But to answer your question, there have always been two types of Jews, flesh descendants of Israel and spiritual descendants of Abraham.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Yes it was for those UNDER THE LAW. None of the Old Testament saints were under the law they were under grace just like Abraham was. The law DID NOT disanul grace.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Are you telling me that you read Daniel 12 and concluded that Daniel is “missing” something. Daniel tells you that during Jacobs trouble the just and the unjust are raised at exactly the same time.
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    The Jews and the church. Jews saved by law and grace, the church saved by grace, and then in the “great tribulation” Jews again just because they’re Jews.
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Nobodies sins have ever been forgiven by the blood of bulls and goats… never ever have and never ever will be.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Look at Daniel 12. There are two resurrections. The first one mentioned is the FIRST RESURRECTION of the just to everlasting life and the second one is the resurrection of the unjust to everlasting contempt. NOTE: Both happened at exactly the same time! There is no 1000 year separation anywhere...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I said in my last post to you - “my definition of it is - God deals with specific groups of people in different specified ways which is not biblical.”
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    David I hope you understand Daniel 12 proves beyond the shadow of a doubt = it is impossible that there is a literal 1000 years.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Are any of you literal 1000 year reign people even considering Daniel's account of the resurrection? You can't be or you wouldn't be talking about a literal 1000 years. Look at Daniel 12. There are two resurrections. The first one mentioned is the FIRST RESURRECTION of the just to everlasting...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    He didn’t plan a literal 1000 year reign. Thousand is a symbol representing be under the dominion of God. Just like the cattle (sheep) that feed on a thousand hills(God’s hills) represents God’s people. You don’t take those as literal hills and it carries the same symbolic meaning as the...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    The bible says that whoever shall call on the name shall be saved. It also says you are born by the INCORRUPTIBLE word of God. Even though the Bible clearly says you are born again by the words in the Bible, 99.99% of believers won’t accept that.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    You nailed it when you said born again because that’s who gets to enter. To enter Heavenly Jerusalem a person must be saved AND born again. Another concept (saved and born again) the vast majority of the church doesn’t grasp and will claim they mean the same thing.