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Most of us have a 'past' that has led us to Christ. "lawful to utter" etc is what happened to Paul - 2 Cor 12:2-4 Mohammad, Bahai founder, Ellen G White, Joseph Smith, David Koresh etc etc all claimed to have had visions/interactions with who they believed was GOD. ..

1 Thess 4:17, Eph 2:6, 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:42-44. The dead in Christ & the ones alive (in Christ) receiving glorified bodies to reside in Heavenly places c/- trusting only the death, burial, resurrection of Christ - why would anyone want to pass that up ?

"""I fully expect you to reject what God has called me to do....""" GOD called you ? What method/communication did GOD use ?

Coming down from Heaven with Christ into the clouds is currently winning the discussion

Rapture comes from the Latin word >> Rapiemur Rapiemur is a Latin verb form that means "we shall be caught up" or "we will be snatched away". It is the root source of the English word "rapture" https://vulgate.org/nt/epistle/1thessalonians_4.htm 17 deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul...

Yet the English word RAPTURE comes from the Latin RAPIEMUR which come from the original 1st century Greek 1 Thess 4:17 :-

"""You have a habit of shooting off at the mouth. """ He shoots at nonsense from the hip c/- understanding plain simple logic unlike those who claim the Bible teaches a FLAT EARTH

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Hey Rob, if someone claims the Bible teaches the earth is FLAT then no wonder so many UNbelievers think the Bible is a joke. And then these FLAT earth Christians want you to believe they understand Scripture better than anyone else

Jesus returns to the 1 Thess 4:17 clouds first which is before the GT. Hey CC, what don't they understand ? :)

""I don't believe either are a figure of speech." You also don't believe in plain simple observable science eg explain this :) FLAT earthers believe the North Pole is at the center of the earth. In that case :- Why is the same object heavier at the center & edges of earth than the equator Why...

FLAT earthers believe the North Pole is at the center of the earth. In that case :- Why is the same object heavier at the center & edges of earth than the equator Why can't the center & edges see all the stars the equator can Why does the center & edges have 24 hr days & nights in June/Dec yet...

- Is it possible to be forgiven for taking the MOTB ? - Can Eph 1:13 HS sealed believers in the GT who fail to perform as in Matt 25:35-46 avoid going to the LOF ? What is your YES or NO answer to those 2 questions ?

Yes, I have heard that explanation & it makes sense as does Matt 27:52 to support an alternate alternate view. Matt 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Blend all the Apostle teachings together and mush is the result. eg:- How is a 1 Cor 15:1-4 saved believer HS sealed ? > Eph 1:13 How was a believer HS sealed B4 1 Cor 15:1-4 ? List the verses & steps :)

Jesus taught all His apostles for their specific role & audience and the ONLY Apostle that was chosen by Christ for you & I today is Acts 9:15, Rom11:13, Rom 15:16 Paul ONLY Christ Gal 1:11-12 taught Paul the Gospel for you & I Gal 2:2 Paul even had to tell the 12 of that Gospel. They then...

Hey EQ "bring with" "rise first " Bring with from Heaven sounds logical then "rise first" seems to imply otherwise. I'll fence sit this one for now. Thx for your i/p :Thumbsup: 1 Thess 14 v14 them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. v16 and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

First the dead in Christ then the alive ones The ones LEFT BEHIND then go into the 7 year tribulation 1 Thess 4: 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which...

Based on your faulty interpretation of Scripture