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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    and why the need for OT animal sacrifices then and not today ? and why did OT believers (David) fear and/or have the HS taken from them (Saul) where that does not happen today.
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    Never heard the Gospel = burn/torment forever and ever ??

    ""Many will not be able to "endure unto the end", for reasons of severe economic hardship."" .. TOTALLY 100% agree. They inc some who believe in Christ will choose to take the MOTB so a to avoid """severe economic hardship.""" Do you believe believers who take the MOTB will then go to the LOF ?
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Based on 1 Cor 15:1-4 Confirming that King David knew, believed & trusted that :- - Christ died for his sins - Christ was buried for his sins - Christ rose 3 days later By believing & trusting ALL the above KD was then Eph 1:13 sealed & knew he could never lose the HS Please list the OT verses...
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    Some will die today and be cast forever into the Lake of Fire

    Thx for your thoughts DC yet I'm simply looking for the verses that teach :- "" a person who NEVER heard the gospel is tormented forever & ever in the lake of fire"" If you don't them then modestly say so :)
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I'm asking a simple YES or NO question Was King David saved, sealed & justified by the 1 Cor 15:1-4 Gospel taught to Paul Gal 1:11-12 by Christ ?
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    I try to stay with the topic but at times find myself straying .. forever torment for humans ? I'm currently on the fence/neutral with that one. Many well meaning believers argue for or against it eg this PhD 10 min vid
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    Never heard the Gospel = burn/torment forever and ever ??

    Hey EB, thanx for the response which leads into an interesting topic. """Abdolutely!! Taking the MoB, after one has become a Born again believer in Jesus, is equal to committing blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.""" . Do you believe or understand that if an Eph 1:13 HS sealed believer takes the...
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    Die rejecting Christ or take the MOTB >> Great White Throne J/M >> LOF (eternal destruction)
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    Thx for reposting them JW Always happy to politely discuss differing points of view. .. re >>>> 1 The 4:16-17 I understand that those caught up (alive & dead) are the saved & sealed by the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 Gospel The dead not caught up will go to the Great White Throne Judgement...
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    Hit me with the 2 Thess verses you are referring to
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    My fav team is ABV > Anyone But Victoria :) .. Yes, he does come a second time to gather and glorify us. US >> the dead in C & we ..alive & remain ?? ... 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in...
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    First, hey JW good to see a fellow sth aussie boy here.:ntmetu Now no crows power nonsense ok :Lockedthread .... 1 Thess 4:16-17 appears to teach that Christ descends into the clouds for believers to meet Him in the clouds If you believe or understand otherwise, why ? 16For the Lord himself...
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    What type 'coming' would you describe this as ? 1 Thess 4: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    """There’s only one gospel Peter believe God and it’s counted as righteousness"" Was King David eternally saved & HS sealed by ONLY trusting in the death, burial & resurrection of Christ for the forgiveness of his sins ? If YES , list the OT verses
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Matt 24:21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. There is a 'coming' after this yet I don't see where Paul teaches a GREAT TRIBULATION before the 1 Thess 4:17, 1 Cor 15:52 'coming' Are there verses from Paul...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    You & I probably wont agree with everything but at least you are willing to politely discuss differences "the Coming" I believe that for believers today that is only 1 Thess 4:17, 1 Cor 15:52 What are your views ?
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    New to the forum.. is the new testament the most reliable current bible??

    Christ Acts 9:15 chose Paul as Rom 11:13 Apostle & Rom 15:16 Minister to Gal 2:7-9 teach how we today are saved. Christ Gal 1:11-12 taught Paul the relevant saving Gospel for today 1 Cor 15:1-4 is that saving Gospel and is how we are Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 HS sealed today. Gal 2:2 Paul even had to...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Verses W, verses, not compliments or self-praising