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The virgins were prompted to go meet Jesus. Then, while sleeping, were awakened for the rapture. That would be Matt 25.

You just posted a gathering in heaven after the trib by angels . Yes ,after the trib, the saints are gathered in heaven, to return to earth with Jesus as the bible teaches. I agree with you. The rapture ,is not the second coming after the trib, and it is pretrib as you indicated in your verses...

Quote "Please produce one scripture that says that the tribulation is 7 years long" Daniel 9. The covenant is one-week. In the midst of THAT 7 YR COVENANT the temple is desecrated....BY THE AC. 7 YEAR ( insert whatever suits you) period of time. In order to make your timetable fit you...

All postribbers desperately need a smoking gun. They "find it" in "one liners". Nope. One verse does not cancel 10 verses. You are GUARANTEED error.

Yes He took on the God man at his incarnation as a man. Now in heaven as the God man. He is declared a man in heaven in Rev 5.

@Doug ...and a TOTAL FAILURE TO RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF GOD. APPALLING FAILURE. IT HAS BECOME A SPIRIT. ACTUALLY BY TAMPERING WITH THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS....YOU ARE OPERATING IN A ANTICHRIST SPIRIT.

"The cross" A non negotiable component of the gospel. "The cross" = the sinless perfect sacrifice. How unfortunate your deal has no follow through. No empty bomb. No blood No resurrection. Nor even a resurrected savior No born again. ...ALL MISSING AND OFF THE TABLE, WITH NO INCLUSION...

Maybe Satan's chain is a few thousand miles long ???? Lol

News flash. He ain't on that cross no more. BTW...what did PAUL mean when he said "pick up your CROSS daily" Under your strick legalistic doctrine, Paul had a LITTERAL CROSS. AHEM...NEW NEWS FLASH....PAUL was using " the cross" as a METAPHOR !!!!! UH KINDA LIKE SAVED BY THE CROSS = SAVED BY...

Hyperpauline doctrine is on a precipice. About a half a notch more and it will be a full blown cult. "Jesus does not save. Only Paul's words. Paul's words should be in red"

Well you have accomplished your goal. Your goal being that Jesus does not save. The "cross " has become the magic word from Paul. Now we have you preaching salvation can only come from a sentence. We had a Pauline guy that used to come to our Bible study, and he would preach the exact same...

Yep. I have seen it firsthand. It is appalling.

"The cross" "Born again " "Believe on Jesus" "Death burial and resurrection" "Accept Jesus in your heart" Nothing wrong with any of it. "The cross" was ONLY ONE COMPONENT. This hyperpauline spirit is a massive religious spirit. It reminds me of church of Christ "Unless we baptise you , you...

Hyperpauline doctrine says they didn't. Just unbelievably reckless and a total joke You have already been shown all the Apostles preached the gospel. You have Also been shown that anybody can take Paul's ordinances, that he preached, and twist the whole thing around to say Paul was a...

The actual op should be; " my butcher job of the rich man and Lazarus" " how to reinvent Jesus words and present him as confused" This has to be watchtower of some similar spirits at work.

@Hiddenthings "the rich man represents israel" Lol Plain comical

QUOTE "it is essential to establish clearly that it does not present an actual depiction of life after death. " SMH I Told you guys the REASON they NEED it to be a parable. HOW IN THE WORLD do you miss the FACT of the story, that THEY WENT ON IN SPIRIT AFTER DEATH.???? IT IS LITTERALLY...

Let's assume it is a parable. Is there a place, as the "parable" indicates? Who are the players if not Abraham, the rich men and Lazarus? What is the message? Compare that message to a " non parable" lesson of the rich man and Lazarus . What changes?

It isn't a parable. But even if it was , the message is the same. I think people want it to be a parable. That way the real meaning can be adjusted to their doctrine. The polling needs to be: " how many that say it is not a Parable change the meaning?" That us the real issue. "How can it fit...

You being wrong about it, is asking for others to correct you. I am here to offer truth. It is not a Parable. Now...just assume it is for sake of debate. What is the parables message?