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Jesus said; And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Jn 17:5

No we don't. Why would you say that? We know who he is. You do not. JESUS SAID : " If you deny me before men, I will deny you before tge father" Sorry you chose that path.

Jesus: "I am the same yesterday, today, and forever."

I follow you up to the part where you say Jesus is created. He is not created

Then your created christ created himself? SMH

Nothing to do with testimony and person of Jesus. He is begotten. He and God are deity. If you have a child, that child is human. An image/STATUE, made of that child, IS NOT HUMAN. That THING would be created ( kinda like how you lower Jesus to a created being) Maybe that will help.

You either haven't gotten the point , or you just can't handle it. One of the 2. Jesus is God's only begotten son. I don't know if you've ever read that or if you believe it. But it's in the Bible. Ok, your concept of Jesus is that he's a created being. I really don't know how else to put...

The bible irrelevant??????????

It might hit you later. begotten vs created ( i just killed the debate.) Like I said....it just aint kicked in for you yet

The dilemma you have is that your christ is a created being. mine is begotten.

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the deity verses are still there. No foolery makes them disappear

Man creates a statue...(sorry you can not grasp that) Man begets a son..(again, sorry you can not grasp that) God begets a son God did not beget adam. Not trying to convince you of anything. I am demonstrating your rebellion of what is written.

I used to work with a watch tower type guy back in the mid-seventies. I Remember him bringing one of his magazines, that had a comet threatening Earth. And it was gonna hit Earth and destroy Earth. I can not member the year of the "impact" maybe 1976 or whatever. But it was them all scared,and...

Yes I have shown them that. Then they proceed to instruct on how it was written in 65 ad. That early date "research" is full of pure malarkey. ....but ironically, history destroys preterism.

Under that explanation, a human fathers son is not human. Man creates a statue. Man beats a son. It is in this realm you can not peice heaven together. All truth comes FROM HEAVEN. NOT from men and their cunning explaining of how God exists. " ....since I see this, then we can conclude this...

And before that the scriptures declare in Isa that Jesus is " the everlasting Father ". No human mind can wrap itself around the deity verses . It is outta everyone's mind. Humanoid mind is limited.

QUOTE "You keep misidentifying the creatures in that Rev. 9 prophecy. They weren't scorpions. They were called "locusts" who had tails like scorpions. All that symbolic language describes the torment caused by the soldiers under Gessius Florus the Judean governor who was doing his best to...

The plurality answers that dynamic...which I covered

The book of Ruth is a key ingredient, that also points to the Christian foundation of Jesus. The Takeaway of the book of Ruth is the kinsman redeemer. And we see the Gentile church, and the Jew, in redemption. The dynamic of the Trinity is vast. God is a God of purpose. Innocent blood had to be...