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I say you have no clue what you are rambling about.

That's you skewing the facts: it isn't me saying it, it's Trinitarianism. And the fact that YHWH is the Father is already proven by His Word, not me.

Perhaps you are approaching the second coming but that isn't relevant to this thread.

Sorry but neither statement is true. 1) YHWH is the Father and Trinitarianism does not teach that "Jesus is the Father", in fact, the exact opposite, and it is written on the Trinity Shield. 2) The Shema absolutely does not say "they are one". 3) The name of the Father absolutely is the...

That was not my intention at all in singling out the sects and beliefs which I did, (which included my own). It was strictly an attempt to keep as much accuracy to the polling numbers and results as possible, (up to this point). It had nothing to do with separating out anyone you might consider...

Please review the Trinity Shield and what it says, which is the standard basic Trinitarian position, and likewise please review these following passages which were already either posted or at least referenced by me previously in this thread. Deueronomy 32:6 RNKJV (Restored Name KJV) 6 Do ye...

Nope, I absolutely do not. How about you? Do you honestly believe that Christian members on this board believe that staunch anti-Trinitarian Christadelphians such as yourself are Christians? Who decides what is a Christian here? This is a privately owned internet forum: perhaps you also should...

Duly noted, but why you no vote? :Takeapic

Thank you for voting. We now have 11 YES votes, and another 3 who confirmed a YES vote in postings within the thread but did not actually cast a vote, all of which also claim to be Christians, for a total of 14 YES votes. We also have 7 NO votes but three are "other faith", (including myself)...

Aye, aye, aye, do you not realize how bad that sounds? That's what happens when you see all things Torah as physically literal according to the eyes and mind of the flesh: you end up choosing death over life, Deut 30:11-20, for not walking according to the Spirit which even Paul warns about...

Since I have now made my point, I will let off here, so that you may hopefully continue your thread in whatever direction you were planning to go with it.

What were "their" pronouns at that time? I, I, and I? or We? Do you see how that, logically, I am forced to use "their" in my question? Should I have rather asked, What were "His" pronouns at the time? I, I, and I? or We? And the OP claims he is here to explain it and to finish it? (this...

No, none of that is what I think or believe: it's about consistency, for when the scripture sets a precedent that precedent is generally maintained throughout. Moreover there was a perfect opportunity for the Meshiah to make the question about Trinitarianism clear as day when he said "I and my...

I think not, rather, if people want to teach that Elohim saying "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" means that the Creator is a Trinity or Twinity, then it needs to be the same always, or Elohim has changed, which He says He does not do. Therefore, for anyone else to come along...

Hmmm, then I have no clue why you asked the question when you yourself have not "noticed something peculiar," or "anything controversial, about what Paul writes in this passage", or if you were not suggesting that some others might, even though you do not. :confused

Well said, well done! WINNER!

I'm going to guess, (especially in light of the teachings of modern MS Christianity), that what may be controversial in this day and age would be the fact that Paul does not appear to consider any of them to be already totally "saved", which must be so, for he is essentially declaring to them...

JM is right: it is a disputed passage, just as are quite a few of the Trinitarian "proof texts". 1 Timothy 3:16 ASV 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on...

This one is close but the problem with the majority of translations is that they are misreading מאת, (which in this case should quite obviously be read as "from Himself" and is explanatory). בראשית 19:24 Hebrew OT: WLC (Consonants Only) ויהוה המטיר על־סדם ועל־עמרה גפרית ואש מאת יהוה מן־השמים׃...

I have already discovered by this poll that there are many haters claiming to be Christians on this board, full of vitriol and judgement, and most of them are not even actually Trinitarians: so I have no doubt there would also be plenty of "two YHWH", "three YHWH", and maybe even "four YHWH"...