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HE is not "concept vs concept" He is offended at the thought that The church is raptured pretrib. That is the discussion. Pretrib rapture verses,vs, those offended at us. Their position is centered in emotions . Not verses. That is the reason for the name calling and such.

Lol "Like manner" is local, no horses, no warrior Savior, no tribulation period, nobody killed, no Antichrist army,. Exactly opposite of your theory. But fits pretrib return like a glove. You call is liars , then post a passage that makes your deal impossible and a lie. SMH Too funny.

Nope. The description is 2 separate events. No way is sitting on a cloud the exact same thing as sitting on a horse. No way is a sword a sickle. Factor in Acts 1. "Like manner" Like manner can not be postrib in any creativity you can throw at it

It is saying Jesus is in heaven, but the Jews are on earth. He will later rule with a rod. The Jews are ushered to safety. The 144k are sealed. This shows us the church is no longer on earth and God has turned to the Jewish harvest. Fits pretrib rapture like a glove

BTW...what translation is that?

The AC is given power to overcome the saints. "The end" is death. It is a blanket statement. It says in Revelation that those left behind overcome the AC by their death. When you are left behind you will face the AC. You will receive the mark or refuse. You will be martyred of take the mark...

QUOTE """Lord is indeed coming in complete vengeance on the day we are glorified in him""" Not at the rapture. Act 1 says he will return in like manner. That would be in complete error if your theory is true. The angels were way way off. Hmmmmm, but it lines up PERFECTLY with a pretrib...

Rev 14;14 is also a gathering/coming ...(of the Jews.) And that gathering is neither the rapture, or the second coming on horses. No postribber can unpack Rev 14:14 That verse alone obliterates their entire deal. All the rapture verses are against them Every single one is against their deal.

Then the Bible Iswrong Note that you are showcasing the two methods of study Which is part of my point. Your worry is cliche's over substance. Trump Trumpet Last trump Day of the Lord Then jettison every single pretrib rapture verse. But it gets worse. Every single postribber, WITHOUT...

If you belive the white horse coming is Noah, Lot, "one taken/one left" and Rev 14:14, as well as acts1, then I can not help you. Just keep pretending they are. I will show you once or twice, but it is foolish to show you what THE WORD SAYS, over and over, and watch you change it. The entire end...

Both Jesus and Paul spoke of the 2 types of BELIEVERS. You insist Both Paul and Jesus are wrong. I would say face the truth, but you are ignorant of the bible, so it would do no good. Nowhere does it say the foolish had no oil. Nowhere. You literally made that up. But you don't stop there...

Did you read the op? You got nothing....that is your point????? You don't know WHY nobody is in here???? They have a unique chance to post PROOF...BIBLICAL PROOF, THEIR DOCTRINE is from the bible. You can't do that?????

^^^^^maybe look at this for the first time^^^^^

We already debunked your only verse. You just showed us that after the tribulation (which is revelation 19) ,the Assembly of the white horses in heaven that come down and destroy the Antichrist, are gathered in heaven, not the Earth, and that Gathering is By Angels, not Jesus. So every time you...

You just proved my point. I specifically stated in the op that postribs must not hide behind " orange man bad/ pretrib bad" No , this thread is for YOU to finally man up and convince us that YOU have the VERSES. The hiding behind a win by default is for another thread. But since you can not...

Yes we all see after the trib the elect are gathered from Heaven by angels. In the rapture vividly portrayed in mat 25, the BRIDE is gathered from Earth by Jesus. Postrib Doctrine via omission, makes sense only to the omitted. Your doctrinal hinge and foundation is "one coming" In fact NONE OF...

What good would it do? Since you were shown in the word of God and my analogy. " ...OUR LAMPS HAVE GONE OUT..." Your reply to that is they never had any oil. It's like you are completely oblivious that if they had been lit at one time, that means that they had oil at one time, but the FUEL/ OIL...

You just pointed to 2 comings. One sitting on a cloud One on white horses. Now read acts 1 and take off the blinders. Because like manner DOES NOT FIT EITHER ONE. Like manner ONLY FITS pretrib rapture. Vivid , and irrefutable, unless you want to torture that bible some more

We all know he returns to earth after the trib and wrath. That is Rev 19. The white horses coming. Nobody I know of disputes that except "the Light guy" He says no 7 year trib.