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In Rev 14 they are gathered from the air and there is zero said or inferred Jesus touches the earth. Mat 24 has 2 comings. One before, one after the trib, Onto earth physically, and the other one a gathering to heaven. Lot never RETURNED.( AHEM...your doctrine would need him to RETURN...

Mat 24 has 2 comings. Rev14 has the Jews gathered twice. "One coming" can not honestly be defended ....and your doctrine CENTERS on one coming. What in the world will you do with that? You can't possibly unpack it. I mean it ain't like it's going to go away. I mean it's more like "oops let...

Just adding and affirming. I agree with you

And when THE BIBLE used that term, pointing to Marys PURITY, do you see that one also as Mary had no male friends? Luke 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Ahh Crazy me. Whooda thought you could not see it was an analogy???? I musta thought they drove cars or something back then. But hey thanks for the tip anyway. ( we will take all those "corrections" under advisement) SMH

Try real hard to post any little thing of substance. I usually never talk to you. You should do some exercises Like opening a Bible.

She indeed has her hands full...well at one time...pre Jesus. I asked her one time about all the bad stuff I did. She blew me away. She said " oh son, I only remember the good things" She was a jewel. A true Godly woman that loved her redeemer. Above all, she wanted to be like Him.

It says all worship.( except those believers refusing the mark) All take the mark or refuse. To refuse is to die. To get saved during the trib? That also means they die. You must understand that ALL ( THAT MEANS ALL) WILL be tracked. All will have the mark. There is no running from cave to cave...

And remember Jesus used Lot and Noah in the prejudgement coming. BOTH are framed as normal life and commerce AT HIS COMING. Jesus is not con-fused here. He is definately speaking of 2 separate events.

If I had no knowledge of the Bible I would say Jeff has a point there, but the council of the Bible must be considered. Thank you Jeff.

Thank you for your thoughtful post. What a difference it makes for postribbers to get their views from God's word.

Is the antichrist given power to overcome the saints and kill all refusing the mark, before the heavens are no more?

Then Jesus is mistaken. He said the rapture occurs In normal life and commerce. (said it twice) The dead in Christ are raised at the pretrib rapture, in 1 thes 4

Postrib cliche's. " last day" "Trump" "Last trump" "Trumpets" In the postrib rapture doctrine, pretrib rapture verses of the bible vanish in their minds. Those verses are never factored in. We know there are 2 resurrections. Part of this threads purposes is to point out that we can take a...

There are 2 resurrections. One pretrib at the pretrib rapture that Jesus taught. The other at the gwt judgement. Your smoking gun is "last day"?

The challenge is to provide a postrib rapture. We all know there is trouble in every lifetime. Each man gets a share of trouble. Some men go through life, their entire lifetime in America, and died, and never had much tribulation at all. Yet ,there they are in heaven, enjoying benefits, Beauty...

Rev 13:7 It was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of...

Who are you addressing? Scripture supporting what doctrine?

Again, no Jesus had way more revelation than Paul. The virgin parable vividly depicts a pretrib rapture that is impossible to miss. Mat 24 : 38 destroys any hope of a postrib rapture It was Jesus HIMSELF that declared the 2 escape verses. Paul preached FROM JESUS. NOT correcting Jesus. Postrib...

A thread dedicated to the postrib rapture. The most popular view in Christianity. Nobody has a verse to back it up.