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In high school a friend came up to me at the town fair and asked for money to help him run away from home. I may have just not had the money to spare...but I told him, "I'll help you get out of trouble, but I won't help you get into it." After he was back home after the runaway ordeal, he must...

Fact: Horizon clipping or the "sinking ship" effect. How It Works Line of Sight: Your line of sight to the horizon is a straight line tangent to the curved surface of the Earth. The Obstruction: As an object (like a ship or a distant island) moves away from you, the curved hull of the Earth...

A word of caution: There is so much hate and lies witnessed here. Which is very sad, to say the least. But there are times when there are consequences--serious consequences...because the Holy Spirit speaks through people, and "some have entertained angels (messengers) without knowing" Hebrews...

I get your rationale, but it seems to be only that, and yet not completely accurate. Being born again, and the old man vs. the new, reveal the reality that each body--the flesh and the spirit--are as separate as heaven and earth. Meaning, as it is written, "what communion has light with...

Hi @Riven I am coming in late here, but went to the end to see where the discussion had progressed to, then wanted to address your first post and one of your issues with believing the Bible. Imagine if you will, being God, and writing a book revealing truth over many generations here a little...

Thanks! I myself have seen the curvature of the ocean (through nakedeyes and without any visualaid)...while on a seven year training mission from, and with God. That is my witness.

You can deny what is written, but are not getting away with any of it. You're not fooling God. And blaming me for everything you yourself have done, seals it.

That is a lie. YOU were the one who broke (took away) from scripture and context. I simply provided the biblical information as it is written, defined not by me, but by the language it was written in.

You gave the scripture, I simply lifted up what you avoided including in your rationale.

Your context falls short, as it does not consider "exceeding high" in defining the "mountain." Which, in biblical terms can mean "beyond measure"--even beyond what is common to this world. "Beyond." So...you're out of context. You "take away" part of what is written. Why do you set limits on...

None. That is the point...or at least shows how off your own interpretation can be--because both that interpretation and the one you believe are both interpretations...and that was my point. I just looked up the words and gave other possible meanings that are also biblically defined.

No problem then.

Yes, God is the great Spirituallizer, adding where there was nothing, and I do likewise.

I'll take that to mean you don't understand the full meaning of the creation account.

You are interpreting, without full consideration for all of scripture. First, was everything finished on the seventh day of creation of this world--and nothing happened where God was working on the eight day and all the days to follow? According to the rest of what is written--the biblical...

I get all that, but are you advocating for some version of the flesh inheriting the Kingdom? Otherwise, I have not been objecting to anything you have recently said. Perhaps it was your use of "sin unto death", perhaps I did not understand you correctly. There is sin leading to death, and also...

No, I was parlaying these many debating points of the scriptures interpreted one way as opposed to another--the cause of which is not Satan, but God. The point is, that we must choose, and so be judged (by Him). My point, was not to continue to entertain Satan's imposed doubt by debating the...

Again--only as discerned spiritually--not by debating one interpretation or another.

The passage doesn't say upon the earth, but rather high beyond measure as a bird...not in so many words, but neither in the words you quoted...as it is subject to interpretation.

Man and all creation was created as a mere image and as many signs, even as the Temple was not the Temple now being built in heaven. Meaning, to take any of it as literal, as proof-positive, for or against, is not wise...the thinking of men. As such, we are left with the physical evidence--but...