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Romans 8:16-23 teaches, “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this...

The Bible teaches us: just as there was a connection between the fall of man and the fall of creation so there will be a correlation between the glorification of man and the glorification of creation. 1 Corinthians 15:21-26 declares: “For since by man came death, by man came also the...

This earth will be regenerated when Jesus comes. We are glorified to inherit it.

Where is the rapture for believers in Scripture, followed by a trib period? Where is the rapture for believers in Revelation, followed by a trib period?

I believe the Lord's return is impending, not imminent. Imminent suggests something is immediately about to happen, impending simply suggest approaching - whether near or far. None of the predictions in Rev were imminent or they would have happened 2000 years ago. At Pentecost the Gospel still...

Revelation is ongoing since Christ. Revelation lays out its own unique format, letting us know the beginning and ending of each recapitulation. It also shows us the parts that are parenthetical, and gives common and consistent points of reference between the various portions of the book. It...

Amils believe Christ is coming unexpectedly. Imminence is another word foisted upon Scripture. The Pretrib invention of the idea doesn't prove anything.

The first person who formulated this eschatology was a Jesuit named Ribera in 1591AD. He interpreted the book of Revelation suggesting an end-time personal antichrist, a rebuilt Babylon and a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem at the end of the Christian Era. This doctrine began to fester within the...

If the day of the Lord in 1 Thessalonians 5:3 relates to a third coming, as most Pretribbers argue, and they relate this to the event of Revelation 19, then why is this describing the wicked, who are experiencing the 7 years tribulation, as declaring “Peace and safety”? Surely this is a period...

Where is the rapture for believers in Scripture, followed by a trib period? Where is the rapture for believers in Revelation, followed by a trib period?

Really? Says who? It is dying. Globally: most Christians do not buy into this error. That is because it is not in the Bible. It is a Jesuit invention.

LOL. That is because that is your modus operandi. Hello! You are very consistent at it. You have nothing to bring to the table. You have no Scripture. You have no arguments. There is nothing to refute. All you have is AI generated pictures made by Pretribbers. Can you not see how pitiful that...

I showed you evidence that Jesus is coming "with" and "for" His saints. But again, you sidestepped it.

Where in Matthew 24:21 does it show a rapture of the church followed by a tribulation period followed by a 3rd coming? Where in 1 Thessalonians 4 does it show a rapture of the church followed by a tribulation period followed by a 3rd coming? Where does it even show a rapture of the church...

I cannot believe that this is an argument for you. So sad! It shows how bereft Pretribbers are for biblical evidence.

What has this to do with reality? Which "Christians"? This is Pretrib fiction. Lol. You have nothing of evidential and biblical weight to bring to the table. This is becoming laughable.

More avoidance. Where in Matthew 24:21 does it show a rapture of the church followed by a tribulation period followed by a 3rd coming? Where in 1 Thessalonians 4 does it show a rapture of the church followed by a tribulation period followed by a 3rd coming? Where does it even show a rapture...

Ask anyone who has been on here long and knows me. I do not go to these, as a rule. Where is your biblical evidence? This has been a long wait and has involved a lot of avoidance. It seems like you have nothing, as I claimed in the Op. No Pretrib has. I'm not going to debate with every clown on...

Can you show me any clear Scripture that shows a rapture of the Church before a tribulation period?

I do not do outside links. I debate with real people who can respond. I've noticed over the years, posters normally resort to outside links when they have lost the battle. I am just saying!