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Right, someone else did above, not me, except to pick up on something that other poster had said. And like I said, I don't think that's particularly an SDA concept. And as I said above, this period of tribulation that we are in is not a "probation," as if God is waiting to see whether we will...

I don't think it's particularly an SDA concept... It is a biblical concept, but, as is the case with so many things discussed on this board, very misunderstood by many, often by understanding it in the wrong sense rather than the right one. Many understand it in the sense of the exercise of...

Hmm, well it is layered, as much of prophecy throughout the Bible is. But I'm not sure we... understand that in the same way. <smile> I think probably not, but maybe... <smile> Sure, but not really to just those particular churches. In the same way as, oh, when Jesus spoke to His...

1stCenturyLady, regarding Revelation 12 ~ specifically verses 13-17, this is what we should "see," along with John: Having failed to destroy Christ (Revelation 12:4-5), the Dragon (Satan, of course) tries to destroy the people of Christ. He uses his mouth, representing his deceit (Revelation...

Neither God nor Jesus ~ Who says, "in this world you will have tribulation" and "lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age" ~ ever promises to remove Christians from trouble, or tribulation, or trial, but to walk with them... us... through it, to deliver them/us. Over and over again...

Can fire burn itself...? <chuckle> Right, of course not, but nothing in all of creation is going to literally burn up, either. <smile> I think of the "fire," 1stCenturyLady ~ and I say we all should ~ in the sense of God purifying all of creation... making it new... as He says in Revelation...

Ah, wellllllll.... yes, buuuuuuuut.... <smile> Our God is a consuming fire. Grace and peace to you.

<chuckles> Yes, of course. When Jesus returns... if I am not still alive when He comes. Well that depends on what you mean by "destroy" ...in what sense you understand that "destruction"... <smile> In the sense I think you mean it, though, no. <smile> Grace and peace to you 1CL.

There is no "rapture," and nothing will be destroyed in the sense of wiping it from existence, but rather in the sense of complete defeat and ruination. But after the final judgment, there will be... a number of people... who... depart from this earth. And they will experience a death, and be...

I mean yeah, that's what you do... dismiss acknowledgment and basic logic ~ which you can't with any credibility actually do, by the way ~ just because it says both to you and about you what you don't want it to say. Just a senseless defense mechanism and some kind of attempt to save face. But...

No, I acknowledge word for word what you said, so your stated belief(s), thereby acknowledging perfectly what you do believe ~ because you stated it yourself, verbatim. And then I explicitly acknowledge what you don't believe by saying it is only an unintended but unavoidable implication of...

All you’re doing is showing your own ignorance. The question, then, is whether that’s willful or not, but that matters not in the end… I agree, but that’s not my belief at all. Now, if you can present to me anything I have said I do believe and then present an unavoidable implication that is...

Right, so I have never said... and will never say... that you believe this or that if you haven't explicitly said you believe that thing. You, on the other hand... <chuckles> But yes, I know and I am absolutely sure that you don't take away from or diminish God's glory, that never would you do...

Nope. It is what it is. Strawman argument: a logical fallacy in which someone misrepresents an opponent’s position to make it easier to attack. I'm not misrepresenting your position(s), and never have; I have acknowledged it every time; it is what it is... they are what they are. All I...

No, of course not, but the effect of what you Arminians say is to diminish God's glory, or to divide the glory in some proportion between God and man. Certainly not the intention; never would you actually intend or purposefully do that... And it cannot really be done; no one and no thing can...

I'm not; I'm only... "acting like" (because I did) ...I was the one to suggest it many times in this thread, to no avail. And now you're suggesting it as if I never did, which is... well, kinda funny... Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight... Same to you. Although in...

Then why didn't you do that long ago? I mean I have suggested it many times... <chuckles> But alas... And I'm sure there will be no change... <sigh> How long, oh Lord? <chuckles> This is the first time you've said that. Yeah, that would be great. I mean yes, I would rather us come to...

Of course. I accepted long ago accepted your disagreement... thus my repeated entreaties to agree to disagree. But you just can't do that... <chuckles> I know. <smile> Yes. Yes you were. <chuckles> Whether the receiver catches it or not is irrelevant as long as it is not fumbled... it's...

@Spiritual Israelite Hey I just got back from my daily run and thought I’d explain in little more detail my football analogy. Or parable… <smile> Yeah, so… <smile> …God is obviously the: Coach Who puts you in (and keeps you in) the game Kicker/Punter Who kicks you the ball Quarterback Who...

You actually "misrepresent" yourself, really, SI. I mean that's the very problem, and don't even realize it. In addition to making at least some of God's words into the opposite of what they are. But that... at least the things I pointed out... you can't possibly not realize. But whether you...