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If No Justification from Eternity ? Then what ? 2 Then we have not been Justified by Faith, and our faith is in vain ! Now Justified by Faith in Time means that we by Faith receive the knowledge of what is already known by God; That is why Faith is stated here as Heb 11:1 Now faith is the...

There is no correlation, those God sends a strong delusion to believe a lie are not His Sheep, Christ didn't die for them, that's Gods Justice.

Im not putting the blame of the Vine, which if it loses branch's that were connected to Him vitally, then something wrong with the life of the vine. The only thing that would make a branch unfruitful, it wasn't vitally connected to the Vine

Jesus is everywhere, wherever two or three are gathered together in His Name He said He is in the midst. You have some gathering all over the world, is He limited ? Can He find them all ? Is still in heaven at the same time ?

Wonder if this Sheperd, Great Shepherd, goes out to find His Lost Sheep, but cant find it, He comes back disappointed, He lost a Sheep, it looks bad.

Yes, you making the Vine look bad who is Christ, its His responsibility to bear fruit, the branch can do nothing

Then admit you have low opinion of Christ the vine and His ability. to produce fruit

Yes the Shepherd is responsible for the Sheep, that's why if one goes astray, he is compelled to find it. Lk 15 4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? 5 And...

If the Vine loses a branch they responsible for, its the Vines fault for not making it fruit

Yes it is. The Vine is responsible for bearing fruit. Like the Shepherd, He is responsible for the Sheep, if a Sheep gets lost and he doesnt retrieve it, its His fault

@Truly Then that has nothing to do with Jn 15 the True Vine

The point remains, the Vine is responsible for the fruit, no way around it, any lack of fruit is a defect in the Vine

When Jesus saves a person then they believe. Salvation brings believing in Him

Jesus can say if and still be responsible for the branches in Him bearing fruit. You saying branches in Him become unfruitful and worthless and cast away. Thats His Job as the Vine to bear fruit. When Jesus saw the fig tree that end up having no fruit, He cursed the tree for being unfruitful...

If No Justification from Eternity ? Then what ? If No Justification from Eternity ? Then what ? Its impossible to be Justified by Faith in time Rom 5:1, if we don't believe in Eternal Justification prior to ones believing. For Justification by Faith does receive Knowledge of having been...

Salvation is finished for all the elect Christ died for, its not offered to them, its finished, and they are made to participate in it by its application to them by the Spirit.

Ain't no if, the Vine is responsible for the branches to bear fruit. If you teach that the Vine lost one of His Branches He's responsible for because it didn't bear fruit which He is responsible for it doing, then He failed. The branch cant of its own bear fruit

You continue to show low respect for the Vine, its the Vines responsibility for the branch to bear fruit.

Justification is in Christ alone ! Justification by Faith in Time is only possible and a reality because of Justification in Christ before time. This Justification is given them [Those Justified by Faith in Time] in Christ their Surety Head before the World Began 2 Tim 1:9 9 Who hath saved us...

For Christs Faithfulness.