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I have made many fleeces, and had them all answered. But I think you are still not understanding the difference between a believer seeking God in a fleece...and an unbeliever seeking a sign to overthrow his unbelief. The devil will only get involved in the show boating.

That's a gotcha! :) See, I knew you would step on that landmine. And if I can so easily outsmart you, imagine the devil... Why did I contrast the kingdom is within you with Jesus' command to seek first the kingdom????? 1. Why did Jesus say....the kingdom of God is within you...to the...

Your very black and white assessment of what I'm saying comes from a carnal understanding on your part. You don't understand nuance. You latch onto a doctrine that you think affirms you. And ANY critique of that you see as evil. One doesn't need to be perfect to not make themselves the center...

Have you never asked the Lord for a fleece? A fleece (like what Gideon did) is where you want to be sure that it is God who is calling you to do something. It is a confirmation. Not in the existence of God....but in the proper understanding of what God said to you. The kind of sign that is for...

You may need to step back and examine all the steps you took to get to where you now find yourself. Errors are built on errors until one is so lost that the truth sounds ridiculous to the ear. It begins with small deviations and proceeds to chasms. The first deviation usually begins with the...

As usual you have not only taken the verse out of context, but are supporting the wrong argument. For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee. Prov. 23:7 All this means IN CONTEXT is that out of the abundance of the heart a man...

A just outcome? Not grace! A just outcome is for those who have not partook of grace, or else for those who have abused it. But grace brings about holiness. So it is to accomplish GLORY...an eternal glory in holiness. But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared...

You are delaying the victory in Christ until that day when people will be FORCED to concede to Him and His rule. But the gospel is for NOW...not later. Today is the day of salvation. To him who believes ALL things are possible.

Heh...just giving to Ceasar what is his due. :Broadly:

What I see as the benefit of a forum such as this is the free expression of ideas that can be discussed and/or challenged so that hopefully the best life-giving ideas peculate to the top. Of course there will be the anti-free speech people who want to ban anything that doesn't already line up...

I don't think that anything Lizbeth says can be taken seriously. Whatever is convenient to say, she will say, without any fear of the Lord. The fact that you might agree with me at all, is a sleight to the spirit that animates her. I just rebuke her for her silliness and openness to whatever...

You have believed a lie. Why do you think the devil leaves the modern churches alone? It's because he has already walked all over its ground and claimed it for himself. It's the devil's victory when the church lowers its standard to make all sinners into saints...while they still sin. The whole...

Yes. I agree that people's experiences and understandings will vary. What I offer is a comprehensive framework for understanding the whole bible....encompassing God's ways (plural) as well as God's way in Christ in particular. People will reject what I say without looking with any depth of...

That's not possible..and its silly . For your scheme to work...any LIE that is believed must then be true. You are saying that the evidence of its truth is that it has been believed. You will need a LOT more logic brainpower than you are applying to your bible phantasms. The EVIDENCE of a real...

Amen brother. Cursed is he that keeps back his sword from blood. God is a warrior. As such He protects the innocent and defends the oppressed. God loves the righteous and all righteousness. He loves the truth. He IS truth. He is love.

What I am denigrating are beliefs and religious opinions based on speculative hubris. What I'm saying about that it that this is sowing to the flesh. Only corruption can result. So as you say...you don't know what faith is. God calls things into existence that didn't exist...or else He sees...

Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever...

Hey PS! :) One must be careful about jumping from Romans 6 to Romans 8 without considering a very sobering reading of Romans 7. In Romans 7 Paul admits to DYING because of the law. So he began in the Spirit in Romans 6 with his initial sample of grace....that caused him to be...

Very true. Our own 3rd wave in the churches is...cannot define what a saint is. As in...it's whatever you think it means. Religious hubris.

Being born again is no longer understood in the modern context. It is being enlightened into the eternal reality....being given an eternal perspective that informs the kind of faith we are to walk in. It is a sample of a place that we are meant to sell all in order to enter into.