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  1. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Uh-oh. That's... definitely an immediate concern when one starts his analysis of just about anything in God's Word by saying, "All that is saying is"... <smile> Well, Jews of God, yes. But just Christians of Jewish ethnicity, absolutely not. Wait, are you talking about the same Paul that may...
  2. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    You will. <smile> Even if you now, or at any time past or future, think it necessary to be... re-saved... <smile> ...or that any of your previous "savings," uh, "didn't take." <smile> Grace and peace to you, Jack.
  3. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    In the (silly) sense that some think of "OSAS" in, yes. it's terrible. But nobody here has propagated it in that sense at all. So the "satanist" and "satanic" accusations don't apply and are really quite ridiculous. See my post (#2590) above, Big Boy, and you should easily be able to see...
  4. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Well, now that depends on what you mean by, or how you understand both "depart from the faith" and "in the faith." <smile> More so the latter, really. Observe: Yes, to put this in a tangible way, you can't depart from, say, a house, if you were never in that house, that's true enough. But...
  5. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Do you have your eyes closed? <smile> Look at this verse carefully. And this is the New Testament, of course: "Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days He has spoken to us by his Son..." (Hebrews 1:1-2) From that, can you not...
  6. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Chronologically speaking, yes, but what He did made salvation possible retroactively as well as proactively... for all time. You believe that, right, Rich? Or not?. Right. Just as it is impossible for man to save Himself without God working salvation in him and giving Him life in Christ...
  7. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Absolutely correct, but this same Paul also says the following: "...we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them..." (Ephesians 2:10). "I am sure of this, that He Who began a good work in you will bring it to...
  8. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Right, so experientially speaking, yes, some will depart from the faith. But that says nothing about whether they ever really had faith ~ which is God's assurance of things hoped for, and conviction by the Holy Spirit of things not seen, as Hebrews 11:1 says. And... as we see in Hebrews 3:12...
  9. PinSeeker

    Amil interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10-12 vs Genesis 9:15

    David, you know where I stand with regard to the millennium. But I submit to you that a person believing "God is literally going to engulf the entire planet in fire" doesn't have anything to do with the millennium of Revelation 20. By that, what I mean is, there are people with, I'd say, any...
  10. PinSeeker

    Bread and wine or crackers and kool-aid

    <chuckles> I'm guessing this is a rhetorical question... <smile> Yeah, what matters is doing it, right? Remembering and proclaiming the Lord’s death until he comes (1 Corinthians 11:26)? I mean, remembering that Christ's body was given for you and His blood shed for you, that He paid the...
  11. PinSeeker

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Lastly, I'll just throw this out there... What is the Bible's definition of 'faith?' We don't have to guess; Hebrews 11:1 gives it to us explicitly and outright. "Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." This assurance is not of ourselves, else it is no...
  12. PinSeeker

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Well, yes, but if we have been born again of the Spirit, our will is then to do the will of the Father... rather than to do the will of our former father, the devil. Remember what Jesus says to a group of unbelieving Jews in John 8 and John 10: "If you were Abraham’s children, you would be...
  13. PinSeeker

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    It might be the Non-Denominational denomination. <smile> Grace and peace to you, CS.
  14. PinSeeker

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Deserving of it, yes. When we are newly born, we may or may not have sinned outwardly (and probably not), but this is not the issue. The problem is the state of the heart, the nature of the person, the spirit that person even as an infant has in him/her. We are born in this sinful state, just...
  15. PinSeeker

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Hmmm. Try again... <smile> Well, actually, right, we don't become that way at birth, as if we were not that way before. But we are born that way. "By nature," as Paul says there in Ephesians 2:3. So, naturally. It is the natural human condition. From birth.. even from conception, really...
  16. PinSeeker

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Well that's quite ironic; I would say the exact same thing to you. It's really not. As I said, difficult to accept, maybe, but not so "complex." This is neither here nor there, really, but misunderstanding this or that in Scripture does not necessarily mean someone is ignorant, or unstable...
  17. PinSeeker

    Revelation 20: 5&6

    You have no idea where I stand and are not even trying to ascertain what I really believe or understand. Or, actually, you may, but in that case twist what I believe and understand into absurdities. Either way, "you've gone off in La-La Land" is how you justfify yourself, apparently, every...
  18. PinSeeker

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    To all these things, yes, as I said, God knows everything in advance of its happening. No one disputes that, I think/hope. But when we speak of God's "those whom God foreknew" as Paul refers to them in Romans 8:29, this foreknowing is in a very different sense. And I was very clear about that...
  19. PinSeeker

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    In the Spirit, yes, and in the same way, He is with us. But eternity, the age to come, is not here yet, Ronald. Sure, but not relevant to what is being discussed here, Ronald. Right. If this is what you've been trying to say all along, then good for you in finally getting that out, Ronald...
  20. PinSeeker

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    I mean, here, you're completely changing what we've been discussing, really. Goodness gracious. So, okay, yes, I agree that even now, even while we "run the race set before us," we can certainly rest in Christ, as our redemption has been accomplished, salvation has been given to us, and, yes...