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Ok, let me ask you this … in 2 Thessalonians 2:8 we have that Wicked shall be revealed who shall be destroyed by the brightness of His coming. It appears you are saying that His coming or presence is here right now, and also saying that Satan will manifest greater in the near future. If His...

I don’t know what the point of the OP is either, but he left out 2 Thessalonians 2:9. 2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming <3952> parousia is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, Maybe he’s going to try to prove a physical future Antichrist once people...

How about taking a look at this … I did a search for “dwell in heaven” and here are some verses to consider … Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath...

Ok, so if I have it correct, your view is that the spirit of both the saved and unsaved all go to heaven upon physical death. How about a verse such as Matthew 11:23? Matthew 11:23(NIV) And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles...

In 1 Samuel 28:19 the spirit of Samuel tells Saul tomorrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me. If Saul was not saved how could he be with Samuel the next day if the spirits of the unsaved dead are in silence and darkness after physical death?

Ok, I have no issues with what you’re saying but you would also have to conclude that Saul was a saved person. In 1 Samuel 28:16 Samuel tells Saul that the LORD is departed from thee. Does Saul live and reign with Christ in Revelation 20?

Ok, so how are you determining which promises are fulfilled on unbelieving Jews and which promises are fulfilled on believing Jews? Is it just a case by case observation? I would think the judgments and wrath take place on the unbelievers while the positives like sins forgiven and living with...

Yes, that’s what I meant. So let’s look at Romans 2:29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God. I would say the promises are made to the Jews...

Ok, I can agree with you on this point. That being said, the OT promises are not meant for Jews, they are meant for Jews that accept Jesus as the Messiah. Would you agree with that statement?

Ok, what about a Jew today? Let’s say some has for the last 80 years denied Jesus and was by all accounts considered a Jew. If that person died today, would that person be grafted back in at some future point or would that person be permanently broken off? To me it seems everyone who denies...

I have currently come to the heavenly Jerusalem, just like Hebrews 12:22 says. If you haven’t come to it yet, then I can understand why you might not accept the heavenly/New Jerusalem exists today. Your profile says your from Mount Morris. I could claim there is no Mount Morris in this current...

Alright Doug, let’s take a closer look at this. You have Jews inheriting one thing and Gentiles inheriting something else. Colossians 1:12(NIV) and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light. It appears to me...

To be honest here, I’m not convinced that you have enough faith in your own view to take the necessary steps that your view provides to insure inheritance in the promised land.

Here’s the thing, I think believers such as myself are spiritual Jews and we have inherited the promised land. I don’t think you agree with me on that but I am a Christian who definitely does want to inherit the promised land. Based on your view, what advice do you have for someone like me, who...

Sure, but if I want to inherit the promised land I have to be a Jew, right? If I were to believe your view is correct then I would be better off becoming a Jew now so I could inherit that promised land.

Let’s say you meet a Jew when you’re witnessing to others about becoming a Christian. Why would any Jew want to become a Christian now if your view is correct? I certainly wouldn’t want to join another religion that said Christians will rule over them in the future, it would be obviously better...

Ok, so if all you said is true then currently a person who is a Gentile would be better off becoming a Jew now so that in a future millennium they can reign over the nations. If a person remains a Gentile then they are the ones who will be ruled over. Are you planning on becoming a Jew or are...

Ok, so are Gentile saints going to be given the promised land or is it only going to be given to Jewish saints?

Who do you propose the kings of the earth are? Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, From this verse we know that...

I’m going to say this with as much brotherly love and kindness as I can. We all have incorrect doctrine somewhere. I doubt there are any two Christians that completely agree on every single verse. If a Christian knows they have something incorrect, they will eventually change that view else...