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Here’s another problem that needs to be resolved if there is no literal sea in NHNE. Genesis 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your...

That could be used as an example but I would say the fifth seal martyrs was a one time event that occurred when the Old Testament believers left Sheol. Currently no one who gets martyred needs to ask the question of how long. We all have already read Revelation 6 and we all already know the...

I would tend to agree that no sorrow or pain would occur in heaven, I think all the same attributes of NHNE are currently occurring spiritually but I’m not sure all those who hold an Amil view would agree. I’m curious as to what verses would be used to argue for sorrow and pain currently...

Well we are going to be in disagreement on this, I see myself currently in the NHNE, spiritually that is. Let me ask you this, in the Amil millennium those that live and reign with Christ, do they experience crying, sorrow, and pain? Obviously we all physically experience these things but those...

Yes, but in a spiritual way we already are with Him, where He is. Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

That’s right, also in John 14:3 Jesus says I go to prepare a place for you. Surely if the initial creation only took seven days, the NHNE have already been created.

I agree, and I’m not saying NHNE have come down yet. What I’m saying is we can currently enter into New Jerusalem which I would say is in NHNE. Old heaven old earth still exists while people can come to the heavenly Jerusalem. Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of...

Ok, that’s a very good point, thanks for bringing that verse up. I’ll have to think about that.

Well there would be a need for healing “in” (I really should’ve said during instead of in) the NHNE if it is a place that is accessible to believers while the old heaven old earth still exist.

Yea, I agree not everyone will be saved and I think that agrees with the leaves for healing being for the nations. I think we have currently come to the heavenly Jerusalem which I believe is in NHNE, so I see the leaves healing or saving the nations/Gentiles.

In Ezekiel 47:12 it talks about the tree of life in Revelation 22:2. In Ezekiel 47:11 it says there are miry places that shall not be healed. Where are the miry places that shall not be healed in the NHNE?

Ok, so what is the overall order of things when you include both the saved and unsaved? Keeping in mind Matthew 13:30 where the tares are gathered first.

Ok, my bad, I missed several of your points that you made. Let me ask you this then, what are you doing with a verse such as Ezekiel 37:26? What sanctuary is set in the midst of them forevermore? Ezekiel 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting...

I completely agree that we must look at the OT in conjunction with the NT. Where are the miry places that shall not be healed in the NHNE?

Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, andyielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. There will be some kind of harm that takes place...

Ok, thanks for your thoughts. In Luke 17:30-31 when the Son of man is revealed we are to flee, the same as the fleeing that takes place when we see the AOD. However, as you quoted, in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 when the Lord Jesus is revealed vengeance follows. Putting these verses together it...

Let me remind you of a basic definition of what deception is … to cause to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid. It appears you have either shifted your argument to deception taking place in the millennium or that people in the millennium will have such a low IQ that they won’t be...

Here, in these verses, the Son of man is revealed and in that same day the fleeing is to take place. In Matthew 24:15-20 when they see the abomination of desolation(AOD) the fleeing is to take place. How do you see the Son of man being revealed? Is it through the AOD? I see the word “taken” in...

What are you talking about, people will still have the Bible during a Premil millennium and they won’t be deceived, so they will have the correct understanding. Which means they will know all about Satan’s little season which takes place after the millennium. Yes, of course, but the deception...

Well, here’s the problem, if there is absolutely no deception in the millennium then people will know whether they are in Gog/Magog or in the camp of the saint during the millennium. They will also know the exact day Satan will be loosed. Why would anyone remain in Gog/Magog past the last day...