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  1. Wrangler

    Religious Persecution in USA

    a resident was told he could have 100 people over to watch "Lord of the Rings," but not to just worship. U.S. Supreme Court to rule on home Bible studies, as local officials weaponize against gatherings * WorldNetDaily * by Bob Unruh
  2. Wrangler

    God Commands Righteous Violence

    Reconciled with The Parable of the 10 Pounds, which ends with but as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them - bring them here and slaughter them in my presence.
  3. Wrangler

    Once saved always saved

    This is NOT what Scripture says. Again, if it were true, we wouldn’t need to be commanded to remain in Christ. The reason we are so commanded is because we could choose NOT to remain in Christ, I.e., remain g in Christ is NOT an automatic condition even if we are saved - just as we can let go...
  4. Wrangler

    Once saved always saved

    If this were true, we wouldn’t have to be commanded to endure to the end.
  5. Wrangler

    God Commands Righteous Violence

    Nope. I am a soldier of Christ doing the righteousness of God. What does God’s command to DO JUSTICE mean to you? Let evil prevail? Well said. God commands righteous violence for the murderer's forfeit life doesn't happen by osmosis.
  6. Wrangler

    God Commands Righteous Violence

    Yes, you are getting it wrong and I think on purpose, as usual. Jesus will kill more people than anyone else in histor, so one cannot use modeling him as a standard of non-violence. And you side stepped the question of what gives us the right to use righteous violence (if not the Scripture I...
  7. Wrangler

    God Commands Righteous Violence

    Who equates doing justice with genocide?
  8. Wrangler

    God Commands Righteous Violence

    Nope. Doing justice is put first and is not cancelled by any other word of God.
  9. Wrangler

    God Commands Righteous Violence

    What does give us the right to do the same; how about Micah 6:8? 8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to DO JUSTICE
  10. Wrangler

    God Commands Righteous Violence

    Mutually exclusive in your view; only those who don’t die to themselves can be committed to DO JUSTICE here and now?
  11. Wrangler

    God Commands Righteous Violence

    Not really an answer to my question.
  12. Wrangler

    I’m in a strange place: very conservative, but not Christian

    Once you realize it’s not about you, then you’ll be on the right path.
  13. Wrangler

    I’m in a strange place: very conservative, but not Christian

    1st, you will indeed meet your Lord face to face. 2nd, he will only appreciate you track record in following him and give no credit to living life by what you think is good. Such self justification misses the mark.
  14. Wrangler

    I’m in a strange place: very conservative, but not Christian

    Not blind but tested faith. Atheism is a blind faith void of critical thinking. Being skeptical is fine but what about your next step; will it be in faith or rebellion to his Will? That‘s the code. Obedience first. Submission first. Do not trust in your own understanding first. Humility first.
  15. Wrangler

    God Commands Righteous Violence

    It’s the other way, my friend. God has placed us in authority. See Romans 13. Yes, it is a good idea captured by the expression, bring them to justice OR bring justice to them. If it is a good idea, why won’t you go on the hunt? I don’t think that one little bit. Violence is the way if the...
  16. Wrangler

    What is the purpose of Grace?

    Frankly, you are better than this post which shows no capacity for discerning nuance. I did not attack your person, only the foolish idea you were advancing. Is that supposed to be a homosexual implication? Perhaps you are ignorant of the threads where @Episkopos and I disputed each other...
  17. Wrangler

    What is the purpose of Grace?

    Agreed! Sadly, there are several threads that reveal several members have devoted their life in opposition to this sentiment, believing God to be the ultimate pacifist.
  18. Wrangler

    What is the purpose of Grace?

    While I agree with you @Lizbeth, can you acknowledge @Episkopos’ point that different denominations hold different ideas of what saint means? Two things can be true at the same time: an authoritative reference says one thing; people dispute it. Most words have different senses and I believe...
  19. Wrangler

    What is the purpose of Grace?

    The denigrating from a place of hubris @Lizbeth has been coming from lately is disappointing. Of course you are not talking about true faith but denigrating speculative hubris! It’s obvious to me. Early on when the internet became a thing, I was criticized as you were here and a frequent tactic...
  20. Wrangler

    What is the purpose of Grace?

    Yes, I recommend No More Christian Nice Guy, where kindly telling the truth in power and love is subordinated to being nice, which weakly strives to not offend anybody. The narrow road Jesus spoke about; the devil has us coming and going - being insensitive OR overly sensitive. Avoiding hurting...