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Prophecy tends to be cyclical... things happen more than once.

He has smitten Gaza before... Jeremiah 47 1 The word of the LORD that came to Jeremiah the prophet against the Philistines, before that Pharaoh smote Gaza. 2 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, waters rise up out of the north, and shall be an overflowing flood, and shall overflow the land, and all...

Do you mean the West Bank? I am probably out of date in my thinking, but when I spent time in Israel during the 90's... Palestinians could not move freely through Israeli lands; only the West Bank. Israelis were also discouraged from entering West Bank and Gaza. This was especially pronounced...

Yes. I define spiritual death as separation from the covenant, so that tracks. That's a novel idea. Don't think I've ever considered that one. My thought was moreso that one would become part of a different covenant, that one would throw-in with a power or principality other than Christ...

Elsewhere, the "seal" is referred to as an "earnest." An earnest is a down payment on something, but it does include the idea that the transaction can be canceled. Albeit, if the transaction IS canceled, the earnest is typically forfeit by the buyer. There is some idea of an incomplete...

Did I say that? I don't think I've responded here since about page 5? I thought I framed it in terms of adoption. Where God has adopted, the only way to break that is to have another adoption... to become someone else's child. Not impossible. But it's not likely to happen unless one makes a...

I find it surprising. Israel has historically been among the most nationalist countries in the world.

"You've committed one of the classic blunders... never get involved in a land war in Asia!"

If you adopt of cadre of pretenders, I think the conclusion is foregone. It's hard to evaluate without personal experience. If you have none, can you really have an opinion?

I agree... you don't seem to have followed the conversation entirely. Who is "they?" Holy laughter, to my knowledge, is largely experiential. There is nothing written about it in Scripture, unless you co-opt verses about JOY, which is related but not really the thing.

Right, so... my response was to this: ...which is not about holy laughter.

Nar? What's dat mean?

We're talking about spiritual gifts (babies), and the abuses of spiritual gifts (bathwater).

There's a lot more bathwater than babies. But do try not to toss the babies when you're dumping the soiled water.

If you were in Portland rather than Denver, I think you might start a parade. You never know.

In my experience, the laughter was neither spontaneous nor disruptive. One may understand a thing by reading about it. One might know something by experiencing it. The man who understands will have a hard time convincing the one who knows. :sweatsmile:

That's kind of sad to me. Clearly that can be the case, but... have you never watched a stupid comedy with friends? You wanna come over and watch The Naked Gun with me? The old one, not that abominable sequel they made last year...

I'm a believer in Holy Laughter. Grew up in a Pentecostal church. Seen that in the wild. Honestly, I've never seen anyone question it, outside of those who believe that all gifts have ceased.

I've been on BAM for a little under a year. I hadn't posted there much til recently. You have a distinctive way of punctuating that gives you away. What do you think about holy laughter?

There's such thing as holy laughter. Been there; seen that. Your experience seems to be one of the devil counterfeiting God's gifts. It happens all the time with tongues, too. That doesn't mean you should completely throw out the original gift.