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  1. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    No. That's absurd, and it only makes sense to you because you believe that God is three seperate beings. Deuteronomy 6:4 WEB: (4) Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God. Yahweh is one. MKJV: (4) Hear, O, Israel. Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. LSV: (4) Hear, O Israel: Our God YHWH—YHWH [is] one...
  2. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I was mainly pointing out that Jesus said that his Father was the only true God. However, if you read what I said you'll find that I didn't miss out "half the equation". I wrote: "To gain eternal life we have to know God, and to know who God sent to save us - His only begotten Son."
  3. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I had written "If God exalted Jesus then Jesus could not have been God". The Greek word that's translated as 'exalted' is huperupsoo which means "to elevate above others, that is, raise to the highest position" (Strong's). You cannot elevate yourself above others, it requires somebody above...
  4. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Where does it say that? I can't find it. All I can find is Philippians 2:7 (KJV): (7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: More modern translations translate "made himself of no reputation" as "emptied himself"...
  5. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    No, it means that Jesus, God's only begotten son, who was a god (a mighty being), did not ever consider trying to become equal to God. Unlike Satan, who wanted to be like God.
  6. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Jesus wasn't equal with God, and is now still not equal with God, nor will he ever be. 1 Corinthians 15:28 (WEB): (28) When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.
  7. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    That's a nonsensical sentence. Are you a fan of Star Wars? Yes, Jesus existed before Abraham was born. Well if that's the only two possibilities that you can think of, then they must be the only two. Or perhaps you're not as clever as you thought and there may be other possibilities! Jesus...
  8. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Right, as Jesus said in the verse you just quoted, speaking to his Father, John 17:3 (WEB): (3) This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ. Jesus' God and Father is the only true God. That's the very words of Jesus. To gain...
  9. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Being in the form of God doesn't mean that he was God (any more than being in "the form of a bondservant" means he was a particular bondservant); it means that he was similar to God in nature (though not exactly as only God had immortality at that point). A better translation (you didn't...
  10. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    The phrase "God the son" does not appear anywhere in the Bible. 1 John 4:9 (UASV+): (9) In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, so that we might live through him. If God sent His only Son begotten into the world, how can His only...
  11. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I presume you mean "hard" rather than "Heard". God does love people! John 3:16 (WEB): (16) For God so loved the world [all mankind], that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. God was willing to let His most beloved Son die for...
  12. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    That is not proof! o_O
  13. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Numbers 23:19 (WEB): (19) God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not make it good? Malachi 3:6 (WEB): (6) “For I, Yahweh, don’t change; therefore you, sons of Jacob, are not consumed. All...
  14. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Interestingly God's name, YHVH, appears about 6940 times in the Old Testament, which is more often than the word God, which only appears 2694 times (in the WEB).
  15. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    That was a completely different occasion. At the burning bush all that Moses could see was fire in the middle of a bush - Exodus 3:2-3 (UASV+): (2) The angel of Jehovah appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet...
  16. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    God is immortal, so He cannot die. His only begotten Son was not immortal - Jesus could die. Jesus humbly prayed to God that after his death that God would restore him to the glory that he had before the creation of the world - John 17:5 (WEB): (5) Now, Father, glorify me with your own self...
  17. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Yes. It was God's will, God's design and plan, and God chose that His beloved Son should implement His plan, just a a human father would delight in teaching his young son how to create something. Colossians 1:12-20 (Updated American Standard Version - UASV+): (12) giving thanks to the...
  18. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    The Scriptures say, Exodus 3:2 (WEB): (2) Yahweh’s angel appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the middle of a bush. He looked, and behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. Psalms 104:4 (WEB): (4) He (Yahweh) makes his messengers winds; his servants flames of...
  19. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Why do you ask that immediately after the verse that I quoted; weren't you paying attention?! Here it is again - 1 Corinthians 8:6 (ESV): (6) yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and...
  20. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    God, our Father in heaven, directed both activities. God sent an angel, or Jesus, to perform the plagues and maintain the pillar of cloud and pillar of fire to lead the Israelites. God sent His only begotten son, Jesus, to be the saviour and redeemer of mankind. The result of the second work...