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  1. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    That is a good question, highly germane to the topic. Genesis 1 tells us what seed is. A seed, whether vegetable or animal, produces a like offspring as the one who produced the seed. A dog makes another dog, a cat makes another cat, a human makes another human, etc. "Incorruptible" is an...
  2. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    I think you are reading way too many things into what I'm saying. Much like some read way too many things into the scriptures. When we start doing that, someone will eventually say to a brother, "you are taking this "saved by the blood" too literally or too mystical. Anybody could determine what...
  3. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Nicodemus, a Rabbi, would have understand the new birth. But when Jesus told him he had to be born again, he was completely perplexed (John 3:1-7). I can understand why Nicodemus would have been perplexed, but Christians ought to know better. Heb 5:12, For when for the time ye ought to be...
  4. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    When read as written without interjecting preconceived ideas, this verse says that such a person may deny Christ and may be in sad shape. What it does not say is that the incorruptible seed corrupts or that eternal life is not really eternal. If you can't see how they might both be a reality...
  5. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    1Pet 1:23, Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. All born again folks are born again by incorruptible seed. All people, including born again folks, are born into this world by their earthly father's seed, which...
  6. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    It's a bigger concern when one starts his analysis with going beyond the simplicity of God's word, adding words, changing words, omitting words. Somehow "incorruptible" gets morphed into "corruptible." "Kept by the power of God" gets changed into "kept by works." Were you part of Israel when...
  7. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Well, if he wasn't born again, the he couldn't have lost it. Only those born again of incorruptible seed have incorruptible seed. Exactly!
  8. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Yes, I am denying that it is an EXACT answer because it is not any kind of answer let alone an EXACT answer.
  9. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    What was the question?
  10. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    As I mentioned in some other post, the word "habitual" is not there. But, ignoring that fact, how many sins before it is classified as habitual? Do you ever worry you may have gone over the limit, or do you rest in your own righteousness? Or maybe just some nagging feeling that you are not...
  11. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    You'd have a point if it actually said habitual. Of course, it doesn't. I'd reject OSAS if 1 Peter 1:23 (just one example) wasn't in the scriptures. 1 Pet 1:23, Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. I trust...
  12. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    There is a lot there not in the original Greek. KJV is much closer to the Greek. Heb 10:26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, So, do you ever sin knowingly, or are all your sins accidental? In any case...
  13. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    I think you are saying there is some particular sin Hebrews is talking about. What would that be? So Jesus didn't really finish the job? He just said he did (John 19:30)? Jesus isn't going to do any more. Hebrews is clear that he did what he did one time and one time only. So that begs the...
  14. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    It seems you might be going more by preconceived ideas instead of the context of Hebrews. It's never a good idea to build a doctrine on one or two verses. 1 John 1:10, If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. How do you see that fit in with Hebrews...
  15. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    No. All that is saying is that the author was speaking to Jewish Christians. Unlike Paul's letters, the OT is full of OT references to "the fathers." Clearly this opening verse informs us that the audience was Jews who were born again. However, they were in danger of falling back into the law...
  16. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    All that says is that Jesus dies once. The people in Hebrews were on the verge of falling by the wayside. They were in danger of going back to the law. God was simply telling them that there was no other sacrifice that could save them again, so stick with what they already have, i.e. the...
  17. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Perhaps I just don't understand all you say. It would clear it up if you told me what exactly one must do to lose salvation. Is there a particular sin that will do it, or is it a certain number of sins? If it is a certain number, what is that number?
  18. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    I just edited that post, #2583. You may want to read it again.
  19. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    In your world, what is the end of someone who usurps the authority God granted Jesus, and Jesus alone, to decide who will be with Him for eternity and who will die the second death? Usurping the authority of Jesus is a pretty egregious offense. Wouldn't you agree that that is falling away as...
  20. Rich R

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    You are reading something into the word "reprobate" that is simply not there. The Greek word for salvation is "soter." The Greek word for reprobate is "adokimos." God used 2 different words because they are 2 different things. Here is the actual meaning of "parable" according to Strong's...