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The seals are events. The 1st four seals are the beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24...........False Christ, war, pestilences, famine. The 5th seal is the great tribulation of Matthew 24. The 6th seal is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24..........For a harvest. The 7th is the wrath of God. So...

So are you saying that the two verses in the original post are two separate comings of the Lord?

Hi Grace. Thanks for your response.

Thank you, Spiritual Israelite. I want to add that the Word says unto those that look for Him He will appear a second time without sin unto salvation.

Thank you. Agreed. The great tribulation is when the Beast is killing Christians and the wrath of God is vengeance for unbelievers. Agreed. There will be a pre wrath, post tribulation rapture. But there is more to it. I agree that the great tribulation is not the wrath of God. The great...

Thanks Marty Fox. Are you post trib, pre trib etc.?

Thank you Tthuth7T7

Please give me your opinion. Let me make sure I understand the post tribulation rapture. Are these verses in Matthew 24 considered the same event as the verses in Revelation 19 below? Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon...

Why did you stop reading. What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the world? Which is really the end of the age as we know it is world without end. The end of the age occurs at the 6th seal. Jesus comes for the second harvest as He sends his angels to gather the elect from heaven...

It's saying the day is a year long. The day of wrath is one year. You can say NOPE all you want but you have no scripture to support your position. Just a nope........blind eye doesn't cut it. Additionally in Isaiah 34 we see this occurs at the 6th seal, just before wrath. Please post scripture...

John had a vision of the seals being opened. In that vision he tells us what happens when the seals will be opened in the future. None of the seals are currently opened. If they were opened the rider on the white horse who is the 6th king would have been revealed. I do not know the answer to...

That's kind of impossible since the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal and the 7th seal would not be opened yet.

Do you understand what IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days means? If you do then you would realize that the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal and then the 7th seal is opened and Gods wrath occurs. 6 follows 7. Simple The trumpets and vials are the wrath of God. What...

True The trumpets and vials do not occur with the trumpets first and then the vials. Paul is getting two different visions of the same timeframe. The first trumpet sounds and it is followed by the vial. Then the second trumpet which is followed by the second vial. Etc. etc. etc. You should be...

That's the whole point. The 7 vials occur after the great tribulation is over and are part of the 7th seal wrath of God. I have proved to you over and over with scripture that what you are saying is incorrect. Instead of Jesus coming in the clouds and sending His angels to gather the elect...

I'm talking about the seven trumpets and 7 vials of God's wrath. They happen in the same timeframe and are not part of the great tribulation. How is it not understood that the 5th seal great tribulation is when the beast is killing believers and the 7th seal wrath of God is when God takes...

The wrath of God lasts a year before Armageddon. It is NOT part of the great tribulation.

The great tribulation begins when the abomination of desolation is set up. The great tribulation ends at the 6th seal. Those trumpets and vials are part of the 7th seal wrath of God.

This is just something you have made up. It does not agree with scripture. The 7th seal wrath of God lasts one year. All those trumpets and vials occur and all you can think of is the 45 days. What about the 5 months of the stinging locusts..............you skip it all.

When the 6th seal is opened the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven. In Matthew 24. Luke 21 and Mark 13 the sun and moon are darkened, and the stars fall from heaven and then Jesus comes for the elect. Use some simple deductive reasoning so you can understand that God has...