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  1. The Light

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    The 7 seals happen in order. The 1st 4 seals are the beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24. The 5th seal is the great tribulation of Matthew 24 The 6th seal is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. What Jesus tells us will happen in Matthew 24 is exact thing in Johns Revelation of the 1st six seals...
  2. The Light

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    There should be no flesh saved. The unrighteous are not saved. There is a rapture at the 6th seal. The flesh that are saved are the righteous being raptured alive. If the great tribulation is not cut short, all those that receive salvation will come from the graves.................there will be...
  3. The Light

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Riddle me this: If the dead and alive are caught up together to meet the Lord in the air, how can the alive remain?
  4. The Light

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    That is not what scripture means. It does not mean that no flesh would survive and everyone on the earth would be dead. The tribulation is when Christians are killed for their faith. If the great tribulation is not cut short there would be no flesh alive caught up in the rapture at the 6th...
  5. The Light

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    I believe you mean Revelation 6, not 7. You mentioned earthquakes being a sign that the dead are raised. And I agree. But I do not think there is an earthquake at the time the dead in Christ are raised. That said, the earthquake at the 6th seal is the tribulation dead that are raised when Jesus...
  6. The Light

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    To me there is no doubt that this is a rapture. Rise up my love and come away. This the rapture of the dead in Christ. This is a secret rapture. He standeth behind our wall and looketh forth at the windows, showing himself through the lattice. This occurs in the spring as winter is past and the...
  7. The Light

    The "watch rapture view"

    Yes, Jesus returns after the tribulation. That would be at the 6th seal. There is not THE END at this point. There is still the 7th seal to go. The Son of man is revealed at the 6th seal. He remains in the clouds and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. Then the 7th seal...
  8. The Light

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    The days are shortened for the elect who in this case are the seed of the woman, the twelve tribes across the earth. The Church will already be in heaven, and those in Israel that flee will be in a place of protection. It is the Jews around world that are being killed. The days are cut short of...
  9. The Light

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    LOL. Deny, Deny, Deny. Once it is realized there are two folds as the Word says in John 10 all your arguments are up in smoke. Please show a scripture, where Jesus changes water into wine, feeds 5 thousand, rebukes Peter, claims to be the son of God and is raised from the dead.
  10. The Light

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    I am in for a minute and then gone so I hope to remember to look at this when I return. Thanks
  11. The Light

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    The 6th seal is a harvest that occurs before the 7th seal wrath of God. It is actually the second coming but Jesus remains in the clouds and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. All return to heaven for the marriage supper of the Lamb. Hence the great multitude in heaven...
  12. The Light

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    You might need to rethink this. They were eating and drinking until the day Noah entered the ark. It did not flood when Noah entered the ark.
  13. The Light

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Not a chance. This is the end of the age which is the 6th seal. Jesus comes for a harvest and then the 7th seal wrath of God begins. You've got all those trumpets and vials to go through and there is no rapture during this time except for the two witnesses. The Church is already in heaven at...
  14. The Light

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    Of course He brings the dead saints with Him. The dead in Christ rise first. The alive remain. When He returns for the alive that remain He will bring the dead in Christ that already have new bodies with Him. The same thing happens when He comes for the second harvest. He gathers the elect from...
  15. The Light

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    There is none.
  16. The Light

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    I have not heard of this. However, I thought this exact same thing and have made a couple of comments about there being earthquakes and I think a thread last year. I tied it to the dead in Christ rising. I changed my mind however due to the below verses. The first I believe to be the dead in...
  17. The Light

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    To those who look for Jesus he will appear a second time. Hebrews 9 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. What about those that are not looking for Him? Does He appear? Kinda doesn't...
  18. The Light

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    Oh.......trick question. Jesus ministry was to the Jews. Go not the way of the Gentiles he told His disciples. So you are asking me to look for a needle that is not in the haystack.
  19. The Light

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    Thanks for your detailed response. Here is why I think what I am saying is correct. Jesus sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. Does that sound like a harvest or does that sound like Armageddon? Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun...
  20. The Light

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    The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 has been taught as Jesus returning with armies of heaven at Armageddon. The facts say the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs at the 6th seal and is a harvest.