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Yea, I knew that was going to come up. I’m personally a OSAS person and I don’t want to debate that here. I will agree with you that a NOSAS view can give a good explanation for this while still having the angels gather out the offenders in the future. Let’s see what the OSAS group has to say...

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto...

@Timtofly Here is what you said in post #25 … Now you’re saying this … Which kingdom is the parable of the weeds referring to? I thought you had the millennial kingdom taking place after the second coming. Do you have another kingdom taking place in between the second coming and the...

I think most Amils have the kingdom of God/heaven being the church with the tares being unsaved people in the church. Satan sowing the tares during the millennium is one problem for Amil but there is also the problem of John 3:5 where only born again people can enter the kingdom. If you hold...

In post #13 I asked you if none of the verses that refer to the kingdom of heaven/kingdom of God are referring to the millennial kingdom, you answered, in post #15 that was correct. I guess we just found an exception. Since the Matthew 13 parable of the weeds is referring to the millennial...

I agree, Christ in us can be viewed as the kingdom of God in us. Here’s a problem though, in Matthew 13:41-42 the angels gather, out of the kingdom, those who offend and do iniquity, and cast them into the furnace. John 3:5 says Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter...

Ok, so there’s nobody on the entire planet that believes we are not in the kingdom in a spiritual way? Why then would some people try to interpret verses such as Luke 17:21, which says the kingdom of God is within you, as the kingdom of God is in the midst of you? And why would people argue...

In Matthew 13:24-30 is the parable of the weeds, which is speaking of the kingdom of heaven. In Matthew 13:36-43 Jesus explains the parable. Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity...

Ok, so are you saying none of verses that refer to the kingdom of heaven/kingdom of God are referring to the millennial kingdom?

You are making a judgment call yourself in this statement. Not only that, but you are assuming my prayers are formed in a way that looks down on others. My prayers go something like this … Lord in this debate I’m having, you know what’s right. May you give us the ability to see and understand...

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. I don’t judge others but those who think the kingdom has not yet been realized and is still only to take place in the future are in need of our prayers...

Ok, in Revelation 13:1 the beast has ten horns and ten crowns upon his horns. In Revelation 17:3 the beast has ten horns but no crowns are mentioned, when we get to verse 12 it says they haven’t received their kingdom yet, but do receive power as kings one hour with the beast. Do you see the...

Well, I agree the beast isn’t described as having eight heads but Revelation 17:11 says he is the eighth and is of the seven. What do you think Revelation 17:11 is talking about? Which one of the seven would you consider to be called the eighth?

Ok, thanks. Satan gives his power, seat, and authority to the beast, when that happens do you see Satan as not being able to deceive at that time? I know the beast deceives when he receives the power, seat, and authority but what about Satan himself during that time, do you see him retaining...

Do you think the eighth head could also be Babylon? The Babylon in Revelation 18 is not Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylon so it could be viewed as the eighth that is of the seven.

No debate here Doug, I just want to get your thoughts. In Revelation 12:3 the dragon has seven heads with crowns on the heads but no mention of crowns on the horns. In Revelation 13:1 the ten horns on the beast have crowns. Do you see the ten horns/kings receiving power as kings one hour...

Ok, so you’re saying the heavenly Jerusalem is not the New Jerusalem in heaven before it comes down?

Thanks for pointing that out, i edited my post. I thought everyone here was in agreement that according to Hebrews 12:22 we believers have already come to the heavenly Jerusalem. I probably should’ve made that distinction and said … Do you see any verses that would indicate a person can...

I can see by your response that you might believe a person can loose their salvation. I can respect that position but I’m in the once saved always saved camp so I don’t see it that way. I didn’t intend to get too deep into this topic but here’s how I ultimately see things. In Galatians 2:9 an...

Well that is debatable, if you’re of the opinion that New Jerusalem is a literal, physical city then obviously it has not arrived on this earth. If you’re of the opinion that New Jerusalem is a spiritual destination then it is possible that it has descended already. Well, sure, we aren’t...