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I agree! Christ is coming again in the same manner in which He was seen departing this earth! That does not mean that Christ through His Spirit has NOT come unto all who believe, all who have been born again of Christ's Spirit! We look with great anticipation for Christ to return again, then...

In humanity both positions are true at the same time, however they are not both true within the same person(s). Man is either one or the other, but to argue man can be both at the same time is neither true, nor helpful.

I believe Scripture shows us that Christ will come again in the same manner He was seen departing this earth at the end of this age when the seventh trumpet sounds that time shall be no longer, or there shall no longer be any more delay. His return on that day that is coming is not to give...

Christ has come and is coming to every believer through His Spirit within us. It seems many shall only believe when they can physically see Him returning when the last trumpet sounds. That makes no sense and doubts Christ when He says He is coming soon, is near, at hand and within whosoever is...

This doesn't explain how John the Baptist and Jesus are two olive trees and two candlesticks???

Earburner: "It is very apparent to me that John the Baptist, is the witness to who Jesus IS, and Jesus is the witness to who God the Father IS. Thus fulfilling Zech. 4:11-14. Then said he, these are the two anointed ones, that shall stand by the Lord of the whole earth." I don't deny that both...

Why do we limit the coming of Christ to man to only His two comings physically? Is it because we cannot physically see the coming of Christ to us through His Spirit in us?

Why do we doubt the words of Christ? Neither 70 AD nor two thousand plus years adequately explain Christ saying He was coming soon, and that He would be both near, here and even within you to whosoever believes Him. Isn't the reason we doubt because we cannot believe in what we cannot...

It really doesn't seem to matter to you how I interpret them. I hoped (wrongly apparently) that seeing the verses together would help you to see those faithful to God possess eternal spiritual life now, from the moment we believe (born again) and through our eternal life our mortal body also...

IF YOU'RE GOING TO QUOTE WHAT I HAVE SAID, PLEASE HAVE THE DECENCY TO QUOTE ALL THAT I'VE SAID!

Because children of God are not eternally saved together. The Bible is written that they might come to know there is eternal life for whosoever among the human race shall believe on Christ. This verse affirms this truth. Not only is the life the believer possesses spiritually eternal, but...

Why were some broken off from the natural olive tree David? Romans 11:20 (KJV) Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: These natural branches of the good olive tree were NOT saved, because even though they appeared to belong...

David, think about what you're implying. Why would the Word of God teach both eternal security then contradict that by teaching man is not eternally secure in Christ? How do you reconcile the contradiction you're forcing upon the Word of God?

Man can be wrong regarding understanding of Biblical doctrine. But can a man be saved who denies Christ came to give ETERNAL life to whosoever believes on Him?

To arrive at the conclusion that both eternal security and falling away through unbelief is affirmed by Rev 20:6 is convincing proof that you have not rightly understood this verse. Since both of these groups reign with Christ a thousand years, vs. 6 affirms that there shall be other...

In this I also agree! One claiming to be Amil then argues that eternal life in Christ can be lost, has not rightly divided the Word of God!

Salvation is not a matter of being Amil or not! Salvation unto man comes by God's grace through faith! To be saved one MUST believe that Christ gives eternal life to whosoever believes on Him! If you cannot believe the life we receive through Christ is ETERNAL and can never be lost, it is...

Matthew 10:16-23 (KJV) Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; And ye shall be brought before governors and...

That is exactly the resurrection Christ is speaking of! You say you believe we are in the spiritual Kingdom of God now, but how can you believe that since you deny we are eternally saved? You and whosoever denies eternal security can't seem to grasp the fact that none can belong to the eternal...

The age to come came when Christ came in the Kingdom of God ushering in the SPIRITUAL Kingdom of God. We have entered the Kingdom of God that now is spiritual when we are born again. That means we have spiritually, not physically entered the age that according to Christ was to come through His...