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  1. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    Yes I will keep holding on to my beliefs, as long as nobody can convince me that I have incorrectly understood the Scriptures. :) Here's an article about the Lazarus parable that I saved from a newsgroup discussion 23 years ago. It's long so I'll have to split it up into several posts. It is...
  2. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    On the contrary, to say that hell is a literal place of eternal torment goes against the Bible! The Luke 16 passage is a parable, telling a story that the "Pharisees, who were lovers of money" (verse 14), would understand. Note that Jesus did not apportion any sin to the rich man - he just...
  3. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    Okay, I've got to ask - why do you keep typing Onesmith when the guy's name is Onesimus? :confused:
  4. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    Eze 28: (18) By the multitude of your iniquities, in the unrighteousness of your commerce, you have profaned your sanctuaries. Therefore I have brought out a fire from the middle of you. It has devoured you. I have turned you to ashes on the earth in the sight of all those who see you. (19)...
  5. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    Well we certainly shouldn't believe you when you claim that "Christians know that Jesus taught more about Hell fire than eternal life" (post #656) if you can't prove it. It seems that you are so lacking in confidence in your claim that you haven't event attempted to try to prove it. This...
  6. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    No. I've never been to a Kingdom Hall. By your response it looks like you can't prove what you claimed. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 (KJV): (21) Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
  7. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    It's amazing how people can be very familar with a verse, and yet seem blind to what it says. I'm thinking in particular about John 3:16 (KJV), the most famous verse in the Bible (according to Most popular Bible verse in the world): (16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only...
  8. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    No, I don't believe in the Trinity.
  9. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    I don't believe it. I challenge you to prove that. Jesus taught more about the kingdom of God and eternal life than he did about hell and burning in fire, and more about Gehenna than hades - he only mentions hades four times, whereas he mentions the kingdom of God around a hundred times.
  10. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    There is 1,000 years set aside for teaching the truth, while Satan is locked up (Rev 20:2) to prevent him from deceiving mankind, and to change those bad people into good people. The resurrected Church will be working with Jesus to bless these people for 1,000 years (which is longer than...
  11. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    Psalms 146:4 (MKJV): (4) His breath goes forth; he returns to the earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. Eccliastes 9:5 (WEB): (5) For the living know that they will die, but the dead don’t know anything, neither do they have any more a reward; for their memory is forgotten. If all your...
  12. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    But what is the punishment for sin? It's eternal death, not eternal life of physical torment/torture. Rom 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Eze 18:4,20 - The soul who sins, he shall die. Rev 20:14 - Death and Hades were...
  13. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    We've had this discussion before (last September - What Are we Getting Saved From). This was my reply then: So what of the phrase "they will be tormented day and night forever and ever"? We know from chapter 17 and other verses of Scripture that tell of the destruction of Satan (Hebrews 2:14...
  14. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    Revelation 20:14 (WEB): (14) Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
  15. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    Barnes Notes says: In the heart of the earth - The Jews used the word “heart” to denote the “interior” of a thing, or to speak of being in a thing. It means, here, to be in the grave or sepulchre.
  16. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    Matthew 12:40 (WEB): (40) For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
  17. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    Yes I do understand myself! God didn't promise Abraham that there would be a resurrection, he just said that one of his descendants would bless all nations. God did tell Daniel that the dead would be resurrected (Daniel 12:2), and Hosea (Hosea 13:14) and to others as well I'm sure (I don't...
  18. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    [You somehow managed to misquote what I wrote. The words "many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven" was what you wrote, not me.] A doesn't equal B, but if you are a Christian then you are also heirs according to the promise - the...
  19. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    Why do you think that that means that Abraham (and other Old Testatment people) will have a part in the first resurrection? This was God's promise to Abraham, Genesis 22:16-18 (WEB): (16) and said, “I have sworn by myself, says Yahweh, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld...