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Yet it does not change anything. The disciples were the ones being chosen. Believers are not chosen to believe. It is counter to all of scripture. Even being chosen, He directs his disciples to to keep His commandments and if they do, they abide in his love. There you have free will again...

You cannot have it both ways. God either controls them or He does not. It matters not that they did not know what God was doing. Your view is that man's will, which is actually a misnomer by your view, is controlled by God. That is the opposite of scripture. Now you say they made their...

Your theory is so absurd. So God wants many men to commit murder. They cannot stop God from causing them to commit murder. Why would you punish them for something they are not responsible for? God said that He will not cause man to sin. How is that possible within your view? Explain how...

Ok, Can you explain just how Christ's death produces believers within the understanding of the fall, the Incarnation and the end times when Christ comes again. This requires some thought and a theological argument, not your interpretation of texts which have all been shown to refute your theory.?

It is not the Truth, It is purely your acceptance of the theory of Calvinism. 1500 years went by before such a belief system was developed. Hardly the Truth from the beginning, There is nothing in Apostolic history that such a theory existed and that it was actually a teaching of scripture...

Repeating your mantra does not change the meaning of the text. God's determinations (foreknowledge) is based on man's will. His determinations does not subsume man's will. Obviously, you have not rechecked the meaning of foreknowledge or predestination. It might benefit your understanding of...

So now Christ becomes believers. It is plainly stating the Christ is the seed, not believers. You are making Christ a believer. The fruit of that seed is not believers either. It is the resurrection of mankind. Overcoming death is the fruit of Christ being the seed that died and was raised...

Isa 53:10, Christ is the seed not believers. Then you go to Heb 2:14 which is not speaking of believers. Well, unless you believe ONLY believers are human beings who are partakers of flesh and blood. In your view what do unbelievers partake of? Do they have some other form, which Christ did...

Where does it say that the world was created for Christ's redemptive purpose?. It does not say it in the creation story of Genesis. Paul never stated this? The only person who might have stated this would be John Calvin under his doctrine of predestination. Most of what you seem to espouse fits...

God has not predetermined anything man does. He knows what man will do and will guide as I showed in my example. Your whole theory makes God the sinner and not man. It's very simple to understand but you have this theory which is not found in scripture, that God actually compels man to sin...

How come you did not include vs 17-20? especially vs 19, "It pleased the Father than in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reeconcile ALL THINGS to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven..." He DID NOT RECONCILE BELIEVERS. He reconciled all things. This is...

This does not negate man's will. I can give you several examples that I can also direct your steps. Here is an analogy. I will need to make some assumptions here. In the morning you leave the house to go to work. You have a direct route to work. You do this every day. By your will you have a...

The seed mention refers to Christ, who God will see as his seed. I don't even see believers in the picture. I see no mention of converts or any conversion. You have to twist a lot to make this verse fit your theory. Which is why it is so easily seen as a theory because none of the text you use...

Nice, you quote a text, but then when you try to paraphrase it, you leave out the word that destroys your view. Christ was lifted up....Will draw ALL MEN unto myself. He drew all men and saved all men from death and sin. so that He could call all men to repentance. Those that see/believe/have...

Really! Where is that taught in scripture? It sounds like another twist so that a theory might work. So, God created man specifically to sin, that is reject God? Why would God do that? What kind of God do you believe in? If He is the cause of it, then He is a sinner. Man is not the sinner...

Simply amazing. The only consistent thing you do is select verses that oppose your view. The problem is that you do not understand them. Dan 4:35 is Nebuchadnezzar giving credit to God, after he lifted his eyes to heaven and repented. Your view would have this all annulled and would of...

What contradictions you create. Right in the same paragraph. How can you say that Christ's death produces believers, earlier you called them converts, yet your conclusion says it is by faith. John 17:3 first you must add vs 2 because that is the basis of vs 3. Now, Who was given to Christ...

There is no scripture that even hints that God caused Adam to sin. He did not sin according to God's purpose. God's purpose for for a solution, because He foreknew Adam would sin, was to provide a solution to death and sin. Theologically, if Adam had not sinned, Christ would never have needed...

Man is free from God's will. It is a separate will from that of God's will. That man having a will separate from God is NOT saying man is free from His Sovereignty when His sovereignty established that man has a separate will. You do have trouble understanding scripture and theology. This is...