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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Yes it is the entire number of the Church, not one member missing. God can number them, but man cannot, but whatever # it is, its complete to God
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The 144000 in Rev 14 is none other than the Church Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: They were redeemed Vs 7 7 In whom we have redemption...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Christ and His Church are One, If He is the Firstfruit, they are also in Him. He is Sanctified, so are they. He and His Wife are One You also trusting in the flesh, ethnicity in Salvaic matters
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    More ethnicity, trusting in the flesh, which Paul was delivered from Phil 3:3-5 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. 4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    You have been shown scripture, but thats not going to help the deceived. May God have mercy on you to show you the truth, thats whats needed. You clearly trusting in the flesh, ethnicity, even if you not a jew yourself, you still put ethnicity into the equation of Salvation, and not Christ alone.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The 144000 in Rev 14 is also the Sheep that follow Christ always Jn 10:4,5,27 4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    You just deceived and confused and trusting in the flesh friend
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Christ is the firstfruits and His Body the Church is also. Christ and His Body are One Heb 2:11 11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Again Eph 5:29-32 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The saints took part in Christs Resurrection, And He is the First fruits, Christ the Head, the Saints His Body.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Christ is the firstfuits and they that are His with Him
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    They are the same, they have been redeemed from among men and the both sing a new song Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    All the redeemed of the Lord are His First fruits from amongst men. They are His Own Elect. Christ is the Firstfruit, and His Body the Church is One with Him When He rose from the grave as the firstfruit 1 Cor 15:20,23 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I have said enough, believe what you believe. Im not here to convince you, and you not about to have me doing a lot of explaining, cause obviously you dont get it. I see the 144000 of Rev 14 being the redeemed of Rev 5:9 which is the Church. I already explained why, Im not about to go over the...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    You cant see what I see
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    @grafted branch Yes Yes more symbolical language The 144000 in Rev 14 is probably the Glorified Church in Heavens Glory but in Rev 11 its the present state pf the church militant being persecuted for the Gospel sake, at this time its only a very small remnant. However I will say this, the...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    @TribulationSigns As well it should be
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    They witness against the false freewill man made religion !
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    The Gospel of Reconciliation

    If you dont believe what Im saying there, you totally no nothing of the reconciliation Christs Death provides.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The 144000 is the Church here in Col 1 It presents us , those he died for, holy, and unblameable and unreprovable in his sight. That is the True result of being reconciled to God by Christ death while being enemies Rom 5:10, Col 1:21-22 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in...