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Yes chance of that. Are you forgetting that in Galatians 2:9 it was agreed that John was to go to the circumcision (Old Testament saints).

I thought we went over this once before but in Deuteronomy 33:2-3 Moses blessed the children of Israel and collectively called all of them saints. The word saints can be referring to the tribes of Israel as a group.

But the big difference between Seth to the time of Noah and the millennium is that Satan wasn’t bound during that time. I would think there should be a very distinct difference between when Satan is bound and when he isn’t. Are you thinking it’s going to be some kind of gradual transition to...

In order for your view of the unsaved surrounding the camp of the saints to work, you would have to show a time when the unsaved were not surrounding the camp and make the distinction of what the difference is between when they do surround and when they don’t surround it. And also it would be...

No, I don’t believe it’s a literal city. That’s why I don’t think it’s possible for the unbelievers to surround it by going up on the breadth of the earth.

Well maybe the literal city of Jerusalem was beloved in heaven but not beloved on earth, just like new Jerusalem can be in both heaven and earth at the same time.

Ok, so how do you explain new Jerusalem being in heaven while the unsaved surround it? Are you going to go down the same road SI took and claim it is in both heaven and earth at the same time?

Are you kidding me? So is the lake of fire also both on earth and in outer darkness?

The physical city of Jerusalem was beloved and yes currently you can say new Jerusalem is beloved but that in itself doesn’t prove when Revelation 20:9 occurs.

I get all that, are you saying that Revelation 21:2 has been fulfilled and new Jerusalem has come down out of heaven? If not then why wouldn’t you symbolize that as being fulfilled? Since it would be possible for the unsaved to compass new Jerusalem.

Yea, I agree with this, currently new covenant believers are the bride of Christ and we dwell in new Jerusalem, at least spiritually speaking. But this doesn’t really prove one way or the other what “ camp of the saints” is being referred to in Revelation 20:9. I guess this is just another one...

So symbolically the unsaved can go to heaven and surround new Jerusalem? Can you give more details on how this is symbolically possible?

The physical city of Jerusalem was the camp of the old covenant saints. How would it be possible to go up on the breadth of the earth and compass new Jerusalem when it doesn’t come down till Revelation 21:2?

I see it as Satan being bound from gathering the nations to destroy Jerusalem and I see the Galatians 2:9 agreement that James, Peter, and John were to go to the circumcision, as something that was never rescinded. So I come to the conclusion that Revelation was written to the circumcision...

Well, I think the thousand years was the time from the cross to 70AD where Satan was bound from exercising his right to destroy Jerusalem. There are others who place the millennium from the time of Solomon to the cross, and I’ve also seen where some have equated Christ’ resurrection with the...

I think the millennium is already over, I guess you can put me down for Aftermil or something like that.

Well, obviously not everyone likes drawings or charts but for a carpenter to build using only the words in Exodus 26, it would take some time. If I was given that task, I would first read the directions and draw out what each board would look like. And if a set of drawings were available that...

I don’t agree with very many of your positions but I can appreciate the charts you make, they are helpful to some of us. I can pinpoint where our disagreements are much quicker when looking at your chart. Which is easier to understand words or charts/drawings? Exodus 26: 15And thou shalt make...

Ok, you’ve given a lot to think about. I don’t want to side track this thread so I’ll digest what you said so far, thanks.

Thanks for taking the time to give that explanation. I am interested in how you’re comparing the initial 7 days with human history. Here is a brief summary of creation, can you fill in the question marks? I threw in what I think you might say after the question marks, just for fun. Day 1 light...