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  1. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    Evil destroys itself. It has in it the seeds of its own demise just like cancer untreated will kill its victim.
  2. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    Understanding the scriptures is as much the leading of God's Spirit as it is reading the words. Because Israel through history had certain ideas about God they inevitably wrote from their cultural paradigm. Jesus shifted that paradigm. When he made statements like 'you have heard it said blah...
  3. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    Translating from ancient texts is tricky because the vocabulary in Hebrew has considerably less words to utilise than English. Also a translator translates through their bias.....as do we. Sooo, if and when a paradigm is unknowingly faulty, complex texts or texts which are not clear because of...
  4. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    No need to give up, just be reasonable and acknowledge the truth of the matter when its in your face.
  5. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    Isn't it strange how you can't understand me in the present day but give plenty of commentary on what was written thousands of years ago ....which you think you understand.
  6. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    You just don't get why I've asked this particularly in its context or you don't want to know.
  7. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    In that case I wonder why you make so many words?
  8. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    hmmm, as I thought. You ask things you don't want to know and don't ask about that which you aught to know.
  9. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    Why do you want to know that Jack? You wouldn't believe me if I told you anyway!
  10. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    Ohhhh, when you said 'my fairytale imagination' I thought for a moment maybe I got my description about God frying folk wrong. Perhaps you thought he was lining them up for tea and scones? .....but no, unfortunately you have confirmed my original suspicions in your post above .....and your...
  11. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    No doubt Adam had many conversations with God audibly before the fall. What I addressed was after the fall, not before it and not about anything audible but what they 'heard' in their reality. Here's an attempt to describe how and what they 'heard' Before the fall all was harmony with Man and...
  12. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    They never heard an audible word rather sin shifted their perception...both of God, others and themselves. It made them self centred rather than other centred. Their default was now selfish and fearful and their defence mechanism is hiding and fear with self as the priority. They are now hearing...
  13. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    :Broadly:
  14. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    I know Jack, I know, you are persuaded that billions will get around with a red hot skewer up their backsides for eternity while their feet are roasting on red hot metal plates with needle sharp spikes protruding. In your view They have been given immortality just like God has so that they...
  15. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    Could we see it another way? For instance, God's mercy was on display in that he removed them from the temptation if not possibility to eat of the Tree of a Life. Could we deduct that had they eaten of the Tree of Life, there would have been no end to a sinful disposition? I'm not sure if that...
  16. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    This is the statement... What they heard (internally) was condemnation and their defence was to blame, to find fault, Adam with God, Adam with Eve, Eve with the serpent. This was now their new 'go to' and it initiated the human default. God on the other hand sought them out 'as was his...
  17. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    Our 'natural' definitions/ understanding of God's love, of his justice and judgement require revisiting. Without this we will superimpose/ project fallen human assumptions onto God. How do we revisit this? By hearing and observing the only eyewitness and unmitigated revelation of God....namely...
  18. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    The God we ultimately worship is defined by the character we defend he has. This definition is also manifested in our attitudes and behaviour towards 'the least of these my brethren....Jesus. Jesus warned us, 'be careful HOW you hear' Luke 18:18 Here's an example of poor 'hearing'. After A&E...
  19. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    The assumption that their death was initiated from God flies in the face of Jesus statement 'I have come that they may have life abundantly' God does not induce fear which is what was produced when these guys dropped dead. What is reinforced in this event is Jesus' statement prefacing 'I have...
  20. quietthinker

    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    Re Ananias and Sapphira .... The revelation of the truth which they conspired to conceal was too much for their emotional/ mental system. They died of heart/ brain failure induced by instant emotional/ mental overload.....as is, 'their hearts failing them for fear' idea.