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Right, this thread isn’t about the message that the fifth seal is giving nor is it about how or why the souls are under the altar, although I don’t mind talking about those things. This thread is about why they are asking a question (could be any question) when they already know the answer to...

But it is relevant because it would give us insight as to what happens in heaven. If those who have died 2,000 or more years ago haven’t asked the question yet then they must not be able to read our current Bible or communicate with those who are dead that have read it. Also it would indicate...

I don’t disagree with you about us believers being inept while alive on earth but those in Revelation 6:9 are dead, they were slain. We know they are under the altar and some people suggest that this is Sheol, prior to the souls leaving. In Genesis 4:10 Abel’s blood cries unto God from the...

Yea, I think a little season is a relatively short time also. So why would those who ask the question in Revelation 6:10 be told to wait a little season when they died prior to the writing of Revelation? Are you saying they died 2,000 or more years ago and they still haven’t asked the question...

Ok, I think I got it now. Those who ask the question in Revelation 6:10 died prior to the writing of Revelation otherwise they would obviously know the answer, but then we have the statement that they should rest a little season. How long is a little season? 2,000 years?

We maybe closer in agreement than I first thought. I agree with your point #1 that the souls witnessed in past history. Point #2 I agree that their fellow servants and brethren are a different group. I would add that they don’t ask the question that the first group asks. So are we in agreement...

Thanks, I’ve seen that argument before, the word “touch” <680> can mean to cling to. The counter argument to that is in Luke 24:29 where Jesus was constrained <3894> which goes much further than simply clinging to. I don’t want to debate this point when we are in agreement on most of the other...

I’m with you on this! What are your thoughts on John 20:17? John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. I think Jesus ascended shortly...

I think I agree with most of what you’re saying. The way I see it is those who were resurrected in Matthew 27:52-53 are the ones asking how long. In Matthew 23:35 the statement is made that upon you (Jerusalem) will come all the righteous blood shed. Those in Revelation 6:9-11 are asking when...

Well that could be their motive but Revelation 6:9 says they were slain for the word and their testimony. One would think that they have read Revelation 6 and that this was part of their testimony. Even with a faulty understanding of being avenged they ask a question that they already know the...

I understand that there are folks who insist the old covenant is still in force in some kind of capacity, and I don’t want to open that can of worms here. Here’s the thing though, it still doesn’t make sense to be asking how long in Revelation 6:10 when we already know the answer. I don’t think...

So let’s look at the idea that as people die, they go to heaven and ask how long. First off it’s souls in the plural sense that ask, not singularly or one at a time, and as time passes the avenging would constantly be getting closer making a single answer meaningless. Then at some point the...

Only a very basic understanding of the events of the fifth seal are needed to see the flaw in this occurring in the future. 1 there are the souls of believers who died for their testimony. 2 they ask a question 3 that question is answered Since believers currently know with 100% confidence...

So then only the church experiences the tribulation but the entire planet experiences the bowls of wrath? The tribulation being the greatest ever and the bowls of wrath may or may not be the greatest when compared to the flood which left only eight souls. Would that be a fair assessment of your...

So what you’re saying is in the past there are events that are greater in scope as far as death and physical destruction than the Matthew 24 tribulation because they are wrath not tribulation. If this is the case then the great tribulation could end up being mild in comparison. I guess it...

1 Peter 3:20 says while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. Do you think the future great tribulation will have less than eight people that are able to survive and make it through?

Right, God is the judge, although He has given judgement to the Son. At least we agree on the basic timing of when the fifth seal occurs. I’m surprised that so far no one has brought up Luke 18:1-8 as this gets cross referenced to those asking to be avenged.

Let me get your opinion on this, some people will argue against the Amil position and say the gospel or Gods word did go to Gentiles before the cross using Nineveh as an example. I know some Amil rather see Nineveh as an exception and foreshadow of the gospel going to the Gentiles. Here’s my...

Fair enough, I personally don’t ask for vindication, when I’m wronged I look at it as an opportunity for me to express attributes such as mercy, forgiveness, forbearance and so on. Those who were under the law in the old covenant had every right and reason to expect their blood to be avenged. I...

The logic only applies to our foreknowledge. For example, we know Christ will return someday, we have this foreknowledge because we have read about it in the Bible. We’re not asking God if Jesus will return or not because we have foreknowledge about this event, it is certain. We have the...